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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

Poster child of liberal policy and rule.

It was kind of cathartic to watch how upset the carpenters union was in WV when the illegal immigrant company underbid their contract. I wonder how they like being citizens of the world now.

Unions are beat and not by the few powerless Republicans left that people can't stop talking about or CEOs. Globalization and illegal immigration have rendered unions powerless, even within the democratic party who owes their seats to the hispanic vote.

34.5% on Food Stamps. 45.7% over age 16 not employed.

Obama's America will become Detroit

But the golfing is great...

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/18945 ... of-detroit

It would be interesting to see what would happen if conservative ideals could gain more and more momentum in Michigan (and Detroit). Would things get worse, better, or stay the same?

Even Snake Plisskin might think twice before going through the Motor City on a typical Friday or Saturday night.

Indeed, Detroit is a textbook example of what happens to a city and its people when leftists are allowed to govern in a virtually unrestrained fashion for a long enough period of time. A number of other major U.S. urban areas have shared Detroit's fate, albeit not to the same extent (yet).

The Union of Soviet Socialists Republics is the usual outcome of leftist rule when untethered from any constitutional or rule of law-based restraints on the concentration of unaccountable power and the pursuit of their utopian fantasies of "fairness" and "equity."

bcspace wrote:45.7% over age 16 not employed.

Why not use actual unemployment numbers? Many in that group aren't expected to work. Roughly 13% of the US population is 65 or older, for example.

Even Snake Plisskin might think twice before going through the Motor City on a typical Friday or Saturday night.

Indeed, Detroit is a textbook example of what happens to a city and its people when leftists are allowed to govern in a virtually unrestrained fashion for a long enough period of time.

Madison, WI has been run by leftists for a very long time. Leftwing control of the city predates anyone alive. Socialists are more politically viable, literally, than Republicans in local elections. The actual elections usually are the Democratic primaries where each candidate tries to out-left one another.

Madison is one of the safest cities in the country. By some measures, it is literally the safest city in the country. Major crime on a per capita basis is extremely rare, and almost all areas are safe at all times. The few areas of town we call "bad" we do in a joking fashion because we know that they are comparatively not that big of a deal.

Madison's unemployment is relatively low - we are at full employment right now - and it performs extremely well on any number of measures of economic well being.

Madison consistently scores near or at the top on an extensive list of quality of life measures that are put out by different agencies. When you read "top city for..." lists Madison is almost always included. For example, it recently topped Kiplinger's list of best cities in the country for young people to live. It's by any standard one of the nicest mid-sized cities in the country.

I'm not saying this is because of consistent liberal governance, though that is the pervasive belief of many of its liberal residents. It's actually more complicated than that. But it is a refutation of the idea that consistent liberal governance in a city inevitably results in Detroit's problems.

Bret Ripley wrote:

bcspace wrote:45.7% over age 16 not employed.

Why not use actual unemployment numbers? Many in that group aren't expected to work. Roughly 13% of the US population is 65 or older, for example.

This is from three years ago, but the Mayor of Detroit supports bcspace's number:

Officially, Detroit's unemployment rate is just under 30 percent. But the city's mayor and local leaders are suggesting a far more disturbing figure -- the actual jobless rate, they say, is closer to 50 percent.

As many have noted, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which culls federal unemployment data, does not account for all of the jobless in its widely-quoted national unemployment figures. Among those omitted: part-time workers who are looking for full-time jobs and frustrated job seekers who abandon their job search altogether.

(For some context, the official national unemployment rate is 10 percent, but the "underemployment rate" is 17.2 percent.)

Detroit city officials argue that, when workers who are underemployed are added to the calculation, the number of city residents who are out of work is close to one in every two.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/1 ... 94559.html

So here's a challenge for the liberals and conservatives on this board:

Liberals, what is the US city that serves as the best example of a liberal city? And what is the worst example of a city run by conservative ideals?

Conservatives, let's take Detroit as the worst example of a city run by liberal ideals. So what is the best example of a city run by conservative ideals?