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Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:13 pm
by _cinepro
Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/l ... CKwbheEV0NWASHINGTON — President Obama’s $60.4 billion request for Hurricane Sandy relief has morphed into a huge Christmas stocking of goodies for federal agencies and even the state of Alaska, The Post has learned.
The pork-barrel feast includes more than $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments. It also includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:44 pm
by _Quasimodo
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/13/us/us-judge-rules-line-item-veto-act-unconstitutional.htmlU.S. JUDGE RULES LINE ITEM VETO ACT UNCONSTITUTIONAL
In a major blow to President Clinton and Republican leaders of Congress, a Federal judge ruled today that it was unconstitutional for the President to veto individual items in spending and tax legislation, rather than signing or rejecting the entire bill.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:39 pm
by _madeleine
cinepro wrote:Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/l ... CKwbheEV0NWASHINGTON — President Obama’s $60.4 billion request for Hurricane Sandy relief has morphed into a huge Christmas stocking of goodies for federal agencies and even the state of Alaska, The Post has learned.
The pork-barrel feast includes more than $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments. It also includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.
Ha, well, the administration of George W. Bush used a national disaster to build a false case for war.
Nothing ever changes.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:39 pm
by _madeleine
This is huge.

Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:57 pm
by _Quasimodo
madeleine wrote:This is huge.

Well, it was huge. It happened in 1998 (I should have been more clear). No matter what party a person belongs to, a line item veto is a good idea if you want to stop pork barrel spending.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:06 am
by _madeleine
Quasimodo wrote:madeleine wrote:This is huge.

Well, it was huge. It happened in 1998 (I should have been more clear). No matter what party a person belongs to, a line item veto is a good idea if you want to stop pork barrel spending.
:) Yes, I saw it was Clinton.
Bridges to nowhere.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:54 am
by _Kevin Graham
Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?
It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (
which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:33 am
by _Quasimodo
Kevin Graham wrote:It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (
which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.
I don't disagree with your point about stimulus, but bills often have riders added to them that benefit only the area that a legislator represents in order to improve his or her chances of re-election or receiving campaign funds. It's a very old trick using a loophole in constitutional law.
The filibuster works through similar loopholes.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:37 am
by _MeDotOrg
I wouldn't mind seeing a line-item veto.
Re: Never let a good disaster go to waste...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:12 pm
by _subgenius
Kevin Graham wrote:Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?
It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (
which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.
wow...a belly full of kool-aid this one has.
Your beating of the Keynesian drum is ill-fated because your misunderstand the subtle difference between stimulus money and deficit spending. The difference in their impact is clear by the rather inept and lackluster results seen over the last 4 years. Even a simple view of the economy, both historically and theoretically, has proven that stimulus based on deficit borrowing is doomed.
You even fail to mention that Obama's administration has so poorly managed the "stimulus" that it is has been rendered impotent at even basic levels.