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US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:34 am
by _ajax18
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/19/ex- ... -heirloom/

You know in spite of my views on illegal and mass immigration, like many returned missionaries I do get nostalgic to return to Colombia for a time and be immersed in a foreign land that I once adapted to, reunite with some long lost very good friends I made during that time, see if anything has changed, but it's stuff like this that has always worried me. I got some wind of it when I was informed that the church had to pay a $300 fee for each of us, just for the privlege of leaving their country when we finished the mission. Then I heard stories of Venezuelan missionaries actually having to bribe their way past the border guards to get out of the country. Thankfully the Church was able to provide them the money to pay those bribes.

I read of similar case in Russia where a missionary remained jailed for 3 months after attempting to board the plane home after a long two years due to a customs inspection that turned up a worthless matrioshka doll that he picked up in the trash from his old apartment. The government accused him of trying to rob a priceless Russian relic, which was obviously completely bogus. Over that three months the Church paid a bundle in attorneys fees trying to secure his release, and after a long hard fought battle he was allowed to return home and the Russians got their money, which was what the whole thing was really about, EXTORTION!

Was it ignorant of this marine to bring a gun on a hunting trip to Mexico? Yeah, I wouldn't do that, but I could totally understand people wanting to on a safari type of hunting trip. But when people want your money by whatever means, they could find a number of reasons to begin legal extortion proceedings. One Mexican diplomat feared this case might hurt tourist revenues. You think? It doesn't look like their super strict gun control laws are helping curb their homicide problem much either. It's a shame because I met so many good people when I was there and Colombia really is a beautiful country once you get outside the city. And yet hiking and exploring are pretty much off limits because of crap like this.

Then the next question? Why won't the Obama adminstration offer this veteran any help? One Democratic apologist said he was just too busy? Is that really all there is to it? It's been six months.

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:47 am
by _Quasimodo
I understand that he is being released on Friday due to help from his lawyer and the state department.

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:56 am
by _ajax18
Quasimodo wrote:I understand that he is being released on Friday due to help from his lawyer and the state department.


That's good news. Where did you hear that?

From what I've read, they're saying that the US customs agent was mistaken when he said there shouldn't be a problem bringing your gun into the country as long as you check it in. I could see him making that mistake. American's have went on hunting expeditions in Mexico for many years. And 15 years in jail? He wasn't even trying to hide it? And now he's been in that mafia run prison for 6 months? I wonder if spring breakers will still head to Cancun this year. I know I wouldn't. It's even more stupid to get drunk in a place like that.

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:35 am
by _Quasimodo
ajax18 wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:I understand that he is being released on Friday due to help from his lawyer and the state department.


That's good news. Where did you hear that?

From what I've read, they're saying that the US customs agent was mistaken when he said there shouldn't be a problem bringing your gun into the country as long as you check it in. I could see him making that mistake. American's have went on hunting expeditions in Mexico for many years. And 15 years in jail? He wasn't even trying to hide it? And now he's been in that mafia run prison for 6 months? I wonder if spring breakers will still head to Cancun this year. I know I wouldn't. It's even more stupid to get drunk in a place like that.


I heard it on the car radio while driving down to San Diego this morning. His mother was being interviewed and said that. She also said that it wasn't in writing, but she felt pretty sure that it was going to happen.

Obviously, I live near Mexico. I used to go there once in a while, but not any more. It's getting a little scary down there.

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:28 am
by _ajax18
Obviously, I live near Mexico. I used to go there once in a while, but not any more. It's getting a little scary down there.


That's what the Mexicans tell me. They said that Colombia at its worst was never as bad as Mexico is now. It must be a helpless feeling for the significant number of good and honest Latinos I met to be denied arms or means of self protection in a violent state with such powerful drug cartels. Are gun control laws in Mexico really enforced that strictly, or was this just a chance for a few antiAmericans to put some hurt on the Gringo? From what I saw, the government, guerilla, and the cartel were all in cahoots. Or as they say in Colombia, "andaban en el mismo barco."

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:52 pm
by _ajax18
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/21 ... son-today/

Quasimodo you were right! The news says he'll be released today. I hope everything goes smoothly without delay or incident.

Obviously, I live near Mexico. I used to go there once in a while, but not any more. It's getting a little scary down there.


I feel the same way. Do you have in laws living there? I know that might make it more difficult.

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:27 pm
by _Quasimodo
ajax18 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/21/report-jon-hammar-to-be-released-from-mexican-prison-today/

Quasimodo you were right! The news says he'll be released today. I hope everything goes smoothly without delay or incident.

Obviously, I live near Mexico. I used to go there once in a while, but not any more. It's getting a little scary down there.


I feel the same way. Do you have in laws living there? I know that might make it more difficult.


Thanks ajax! I'm so seldom right that it comes as breath of fresh air. :biggrin:

I'm very happy that he can go home for Christmas. I hope he was able to keep his family heirloom. I understand (from people that know more about it than I do) that the trick in these situations is to know who to bribe and how much to pay.

I have no in-laws in Mexico (as far as we know). Most of my wife's family is in Southern Arizona and in Ventura, CA. I used to go down to Mexico as sort of a quick, cheap out-of-country vacation. Occasionally, I would take visiting relatives from England down there if they wanted to go. I don't' miss it much, though. The poverty down there always depressed me a bit.

Thanks so much for your concern! It's nice that you and I can have a topic that we both agree on!

Merry Christmas, ajax!

Re: US Marine still in a Mexican Jail

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:03 am
by _MeDotOrg