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Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:07 pm
by _Droopy
Unedited Video Further Proves Conservative Assaulted by Michigan Union Member

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... r-n1471429

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:47 pm
by _Kevin Graham
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/21/ ... look-like/

Race to the Bottom
What Would a Country Without Labor Unions Look Like?

by DAVID MACARAY

What would a country without unions look like? Before answering, we should clarify labor’s role, both historically and presently. The purpose of a labor union is and always has been to raise the standard of living for working people. Simple as that. And by “standard of living” we mean wages, benefits, and working conditions, all of which are acknowledged by federal labor law to be legitimate topics for discussion in collective bargaining.

Of course, anti-labor propagandists like to pretend that unions are cesspools of greed, corruption and ineptitude, and that the only things they care about are consolidating power and living high on the hog off the membership’s monthly dues. That’s the rancid and misleading version of unions they try to peddle. Unfortunately, misleading version or not, many people believe it.

Take my case, for example. I was president of a local union for nine one-year terms, representing 700 employees at a Fortune 500 manufacturing plant. Although we were hard-working, dedicated employees, we were also a fairly militant union who wasn’t averse to going on strike when the company got stingy. Hard-working employees and frisky union members….a perfect combination.

Monthly dues were roughly $30, and my salary during my first term was $100 per month. By the end of my ninth and final term, it had risen to $150. Admittedly, compared to the salaries of local presidents across the country, mine was probably on the low side. The average was closer to $200. Still, even at $200, no local president was living large.

If there were no unions, working people would have no means of resistance. Obviously, having no means of resistance is tantamount to having no leverage, and without leverage—without some form of bargaining power—we become sheep. If there were no unions, the arrangement would devolve into your classic “buyers’ market,” with management in the driver’s seat, and working men and women along for the ride.

Historically, market forces tend to push wages downward. If there was no union apparatus to prop up wages, working people would find themselves more or less in free-fall, eventually dropping all the way down to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour (which, if you worked 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, and never missed a day, pencils out to $15,080 per year).

As for the minimum wage, a significant portion of the Republican Party, along with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, would like to repeal it, believing the minimum wage to be an “artificial constraint,” and the people who rely on it to be more or less “takers,” too afraid or too lazy to take their chances in a free and open market.

Virtually every industry in the country—from bottle cap manufacturers, to cauliflower growers, to guided missile makers—has lobbyists or trade organizations representing their interests. What do working men and women have in the way of lobbyists? Other than unions, nothing. Other than unions, nothing and no one.

Indeed, even with unions, they usually find themselves out-manned, out-spent, and out-gunned, which is why the accusations of unions being “too powerful” are so ludicrous. People have actually said to me with a straight face, “Unions were necessary back in the old days, but now they’ve gotten too powerful.”

Really? Too powerful? Here’s a stunning fact: Only about 7-percent of all private sector jobs are unionized. Consider that figure. Seven-percent!! That means that 93-percent of all private sector jobs in the United States are non-union. Yet anti-union propagandists continue to portray organized labor has this gigantic, rampaging monolith.

It’s no wonder that statistics show the American middle-class continuing to disintegrate at an alarming rate, and the top 2-percent continuing to get richer every year. The fact that the rich are getting richer makes eminent sense when you consider that, without any resistance, everything is going to be funneled upwards. Why wouldn’t it? Think of the phenomenon as “reverse gravity.”

Moreover, if there were suddenly no unions, even those well-paying non-union jobs out there would soon decline in quality as well. Why? Because with America’s businesses no longer having to compete with union wages, benefits, and working conditions, they would be free to jettison whatever the hell they wanted, and the whole enterprise would quickly become a race to the bottom.

Again, this is all about leverage. It’s all about resistance and maintaining a healthy standard of living, and it’s all about our once vaunted middle-class being systematically assaulted and bled-out, and the country being transformed into one vast gladiatorial arena where everyone is treated as either a winner or loser.

In the 1950s, the U.S. was prosperous, optimistic, and buoyant with confidence. During that period union membership was a staggering 34-percent. Today, we’re struggling, polarized, and pessimistic. And union membership barely moves the needle.

Yet you still hear people—not just conservative pundits and free market fundamentalists, but regular working folks—blame the unions for our problems. It’s true. Regular, good-hearted working folks are now hostile to the only institution capable of representing their interests. How bizarre is that?

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:21 pm
by _ajax18
I'll take that as an admission that your claim that Crowder threw the first punch was completely bogus.

Are unions big fans of illegal immigrants coming to work for less like you are? The 1% isn't powerful enough to stop unions. Globalization, illegal and mass immigration have reduced the unions leverage. That's why their power is eroding. You can thank your very own Ted Kennedy for that.

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:30 pm
by _beastie
The video does not show how Cummings ended up on the ground. It looks like he was pushed. Crowder claims they were just trying to push him away from the tent, but the video doesn't show that. You push someone who is clearly angry and hotheaded, and, yeah, punches will likely be thrown.

Yes, things got heated and people were aggressive. There are aggressive people ready to engage in violence on both sides of this issue. What is delusional is for someone like bcspace and droopy to pretend that the violence and aggression is only on one side of this issue.

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:09 pm
by _beastie
More to the point: Crowder went with the intention of stirring the pot. No one should be surprised when that is exactly what he did.

He said, on Sean Hannity:

I want to make something very clear here, Sean. I never went out here to try and be assaulted, as leftists might say. I went out here to prove the left for who they truly are. Certainly, these union thugs. And I’ve achieved that.


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2 ... d-his-life

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:44 pm
by _Kevin Graham
I thought we already covered this. This obscure FOX News "journalist" is just another hit man with an agenda, and like Brietbart and company FOX has to rely on highly edited videos to push its brand of crazy on the public. It isn't about news at all, and it certainly isn't about truth. It is about what kind of news they can manufacture for simple minded folks who have no use for truth.

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:34 am
by _beastie
Kevin Graham wrote:I thought we already covered this. This obscure FOX News "journalist" is just another hit man with an agenda, and like Brietbart and company FOX has to rely on highly edited videos to push its brand of crazy on the public. It isn't about news at all, and it certainly isn't about truth. It is about what kind of news they can manufacture for simple minded folks who have no use for truth.


We have covered it. Droopy thought he'd found something that contradicted that conclusion. He hasn't.

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:24 am
by _ldsfaqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w_ze-2r9c4

The main link....

This shows clearly and unequivocally that Crowder didn't and never did anything wrong.
The only people doing wrong were the Union thugs.

What is further sad is people like Kevin G. and others on this forum that instead of looking carefully at the facts, instead try to pass the blame, on others rather than those the blame resides.

Sad the human race is. :(

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:23 am
by _Kevin Graham
ldsfaqs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w_ze-2r9c4

The main link....

This shows clearly and unequivocally that Crowder didn't and never did anything wrong.
The only people doing wrong were the Union thugs.

What is further sad is people like Kevin G. and others on this forum that instead of looking carefully at the facts, instead try to pass the blame, on others rather than those the blame resides.

Sad the human race is. :(


The only fact that we know with absolute certainty is that FOX News heavily edited the video. You folks on the Right are the only ones jumping to conclusions about all the details in between. That's because you don't think critically. You were never taught to. You were taught to follow, like blind sheep.

Re: Unedited Video Nails the Union Coffin Shut

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:16 pm
by _beastie
ldsfaqs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w_ze-2r9c4

The main link....

This shows clearly and unequivocally that Crowder didn't and never did anything wrong.
The only people doing wrong were the Union thugs.

What is further sad is people like Kevin G. and others on this forum that instead of looking carefully at the facts, instead try to pass the blame, on others rather than those the blame resides.

Sad the human race is. :(


This is the exact same video as in the OP. And, once again, the video does not show how Cummings ended up on the ground. It's pretty good guess that he was pushed.

Pushing someone down to the ground is a form of assault. I bet if the roles had been reversed here, ldsfaq and droopy would be invoking "stand your ground."

As is clear from Crowder himself, he went with the intenting of inciting the "union thugs" so he could get proof that they're "union thugs". Entrapment, anyone?

Unlike droopy, bcspace, or ldsfaq, I harbor no delusions about human nature. I do not live in some fantasy world where one side is "all good" and the other side is "all bad". I'm sure there are aggressive bullies on the side of defending unions, just as I'm sure that there are aggressive bullies on the side of opposing unions. What else is new?