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Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls.

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:38 pm
by _bcspace
Comprehensive immigration reform could make millions of people suddenly eligible for assistance under President Obama's healthcare law, assuming a final deal paves the way for undocumented immigrants to receive papers.

Illegal aliens are now prohibited from purchasing coverage through the Affordable Care Act's insurance exchanges, which will launch next year.

They are also ineligible for Medicaid under most circumstances, making the law's expansion of the program fruitless for people without documents.

Even young illegal immigrants with "deferred action" status, known as "DREAMers," cannot access the law's benefits.

But the picture could change completely if Hispanic lawmakers get their wish — an overhaul of U.S. immigration policy that includes a path to legalization.

"We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants] incorporate themselves into the larger workforce, and into our society in general, and not be a burden," said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a leader in the immigration debate.

"Do we want them to go to the exchanges? Absolutely we do — if and when they don't have healthcare through their employer," he said.

Immigration is expected to be a major issue for President Obama's second term, and advocates like Gutierrez are pushing hard to make reform a reality.

Recent polls show the public is increasingly on board. According to a CNN/ORC poll from Jan. 21, 53 percent want a path to legalization for illegal immigrants — a major shift from 2011, when most wanted Washington focused on deportations.

The consequences for Obama's signature healthcare law, as well as healthcare providers, could be huge.

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said the legalization of undocumented people would benefit hospitals now burdened by uncompensated care.

If nothing changes, undocumented immigrants will be a major share of the uninsured, second only to those who are eligible but do not apply for coverage under the healthcare law in 2014, according to the Urban Institute.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/279231-immigration-reform-could-add-millions-under-obama-health-law#ixzz2J5kxjSpY


Why would illegal aliens integrate themselves into the workforce when the welfare takings are so good? Even now, millions of US citizens are on that gravy train and don't work and don't start new businesses.

The public of course, along with all Democrats, have never learned the lessons of FDR's and LBJ's failed policies. They're beyond learning as they have no idea how beneficial creative destruction is as opposed to government destruction of wealth.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:26 pm
by _huckelberry
bcspace wrote: why would illegal aliens integrate themselves into the workforce when the welfare takings are so good? Even now, millions of US citizens are on that gravy train and don't work and don't start new businesses.


By working they receive multiple times as much money per month as might be possible with welfare. They would continue working as they are now. Well with legality improving job opportunities they likely would work more. Many have children to support and understand responsibility quite well.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:02 pm
by _lulu
huckelberry wrote:
bcspace wrote: why would illegal aliens integrate themselves into the workforce when the welfare takings are so good? Even now, millions of US citizens are on that gravy train and don't work and don't start new businesses.


By working they receive multiple times as much money per month as might be possible with welfare. They would continue working as they are now. Well with legality improving job opportunities they likely would work more. Many have children to support and understand responsibility quite well.


All the recent immigrants I know work 2 jobs.

I know some that work 2 full times jobs.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:12 pm
by _krose
Apparently BC thinks that "path to citizenship" means something immediate, given the use of the phrase "millions... suddenly eligible."

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:06 am
by _lulu
Most people who receive public assistance also have private sector jobs.

Of those who don't, most are on workfare.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:37 am
by _huckelberry
I am sort of waiting to see if BCspace thinks many lmmigrants are of the type of people whose abstract reasoning is so underdeveloped that they are unable to grasp the advantages of multiple times the income as welfare to be had from even low paying jobs.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:14 pm
by _ajax18
huckelberry wrote:I am sort of waiting to see if BCspace thinks many lmmigrants are of the type of people whose abstract reasoning is so underdeveloped that they are unable to grasp the advantages of multiple times the income as welfare to be had from even low paying jobs.


If there is money to be earned that is so much more than welfare, why do we have 8% unemployment in this country?

This could be a good thing. I wish social security and other programs would just fail so that we could cut our losses and start to learn that we're on our own. Politically they might get away with hiking taxes on the 1% but when common people start seeing their taxes skyrocket, the nation will repent of its ways.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:59 pm
by _lulu
Most people on welfare on white.

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:54 pm
by _ajax18
lulu wrote:Most people on welfare on white.


Yes, Lulu there are too many white people on welfare. One is too many as far as I'm concerned. My question was for Huckleberry. If there are so many jobs out there that pay 2-3 times what welfare benefits pay, why do we have an unemployment rate of 8%?

Maybe this would be a good time for you to tell us about yourself. Now that I've figured out that you're female, what race do you belong to Lulu? What do you do for a living?

Re: Immigration Reform: Set to add millions to welfare rolls

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:04 pm
by _just me
ajax18 wrote:
Maybe this would be a good time for you to tell us about yourself. Now that I've figured out that you're female, what race do you belong to Lulu? What do you do for a living?


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