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Again, Newscorp, which owns FOX News and the WSJ, has been promoting Dr. Ben Carson as the next great thing in the Republican party.

FOX News interviewed him for five minutes, constantly telling him how Rush Limbaugh has praised him on the radio. Rush insists Carson has the Democratic party "scared to death."



I have to say I like Carson's demeanor a lot. He is really soft spoken, which he attributes to his training as a pediatric surgeon. But his paranoid "the debt is going to destroy the USA" philosophy makes him the typical "yes man" back in the bubble, one that doesn't stand a chance in a Presidential election. Republicans have to understand this isn't about race, it is about their ideology that simply doesn't resonate with most Americans. Selecting this guy because of his race and he's got a squeaky clean record as a child saving surgeon, doesn't necessarily make him a great candidate.

speaking of living inside the bubble...
30 republican governors...19 democrat...1 independent
Republican Majority in the House of Representatives
Republican Majority in both Upper and Lower legislative chambers
Gallup polling concludes that among Americans 31% identify as Democrat, 29% as Republican, and 38% as Independent
28 state legislatures are Republican...17 are Democratic
etc...

once again the facts dispute your MSNBC spoon-fed claims...the Republican "ideology" certainly resonates with most Americans.
You watch too much FOX, you probably watch more FOX than anyone else on this board...and it shows.

Hey idiot, remember that little thing we had last November called an "election"?

Yeah, that.

The majority of Americans voted against the Republican candidate.

Obama won by more than five million votes, becoming the first President to win the majority vote of at least 51% back to back since 1956. And this, despite the unprecedented wave of Right Wing media lying and deceiving the people for the past four years. This, despite the unprecedented amount of campaign contributions from the wealthy minority of Republican supporters. You know, billionaires and corporations who want to continue to buy their politicians so they can continue to screw the poor. Even with all this working against Obama, the majority of Americans still weren't impressed with the Right Wing philosophy they've been pushing. So this isn't "MSNBC" spoon-fed dogma, it is simply the facts. Most Americans don't buy into the BS. FOX viewership is down, their doomsday prophets have been proven to be lying idiots.

Given that Romney had a 56-44 advantage with the elderly vote, and still lost, I think it is safe to say this doesn't look good for future Republican hopes of winning the election since much of that base will be dying off by 2016 and 2020.

This is why they've had to drop the message and start promoting minorities like Rubio and Carson. They are so dumb that they actually believe that's why most Americans vote for a candidate.

Kevin Graham wrote:Hey dip****, remember that little thing we had last November called an "election"?

Yeah, that.

The majority of Americans voted against the Republican candidate.

Obama won by more than five million votes, becoming the first President to win the majority vote of at least 51% back to back since 1956. And this, despite the unprecedented wave of Right Wing media lying and deceiving to the people for the past four years. This, despite the unprecedented amount of campaign contributions from the wealthy minority of Republican supporters. You know, billionaires and corporations. Even with all this working against Obama, the majority of Americans still weren't impressed with the Right Wing philosophy they've been pushing. So this isn't "MSNBC" spoon-fed dogma, it is simply the facts.

Given that Romney had a 56-44 advantage with the elderly vote, and still lost, I think it is safe to say this doesn't look good for future Republican hopes of winning the election since much of that base will be dying off.

This is why they've had to drop the message and start promoting minorities like Rubio and Carson. They are so dumb that they actually believe that's why most Americans vote for a candidate.

1956? you mean when a Republican did it?...and yet magically the Democratic party survived...wow

now i feel bad, because it has become apparent that you are retarded.
You have no "grown-up" understanding of our country and politics.
You simply pay attention to the "President" and think the nation pivots around that office...you truly swallow everything that the "television" stuffs in your precious little mouth.
its sad, really sad, because the revelation may or may not come to you...and you are so content with being a part of the problem as opposed to a solution...and that is without party or candidate my friend...you really should reflect upon our Constitution and our DoI....and by reflect i mean take a moment away from your television to actually read them.

the Republican "ideology" certainly resonates with most Americans.

Can you back up your BS or not?

Kevin Graham wrote:

the Republican "ideology" certainly resonates with most Americans.

Can you back up your b***s*** or not?

already did...
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just because you do not like the numbers does not make it BS

subgenius wrote:just because you do not like the numbers does not make it BS

Your numbers are irrelevant because they ignore the numbers that actually matter. When trying to assess what percentage of Americans support the GOP rhetoric, all you have to do is look to election results. It is an indisputable fact that the majority of voters voted against Mitt Romney and for President Obama.

Case closed.

The fact that you think you can alter this fact with "numbers" of politicians who were elected to office many years ago, proves you're an idiot. You're also ignoring the fact that the only reason there are a majority of Republicans in Congress is due to the deceptive tactics of redistricting. In fact Democrats got more votes. And how the hell does your "number" indicating only 29% of Americans identify as Republican, support the assertion that their philosophy resonates with "most" Americans? You do understand of course that "most" would require at least 51%, right? Well, never mind. I forget sometimes who I'm talking to.

Kevin Graham wrote:Your numbers are irrelevant because they ignore the numbers that actually matter. ...(snip)...

pretty much sums up KG logic

1. KG claims that most of America disagrees with Republican ideology
2. KG claims that this ideology was somehow dramatically different during the November presidential election as opposed to 24 months ago....ergo one can only assume the presidential election was a condemnation of that "new" ideology....conveniently disregarding any other elections that occurred during that same day.
3. Non-partisan data clearly illustrates that the Republican ideology has managed to get "most" governors elected, "most" house of reps elected (lower and upper chambers), and most state legislators elected.....
4. KG claims that #3 is irrelevant to #1 (mainly due to idiocy brought about by MSNBC) simply because it contradicts his conclusion that #1 is true because Obama got elected.
5. I claim that KG is continuing his fine tradition of displaying a certain level of stupidity when it comes to American politics and common sense. A level that i have previously asserted is due to his love affair with watching MSNBC and FOX as a means to "inform" his opinion.

1. KG claims that most of America disagrees with Republican ideology

Which I pretty much proved, as did your previous post which highlighted the fact that only 29% are Republicans. That was just brilliant! "Most Americans like Republican ideology, and to prove it, just look at the fact that there are more registered Democrats (31%) than registered Republicans (29%)!" It seems you're having trouble with math the same as Droopy.

2. KG claims that this ideology was somehow dramatically different during the November presidential election as opposed to 24 months ago

That isn't what I said at all. Ideology doesn't have to change, but the the number of people who have bought into it can change rather quickly. You're the one claiming Americans currently like Republican ideology, and to prove it you use state wide election results from years ago whereas I used a nationwide Presidential election from just four months ago.

3. Non-partisan data clearly illustrates that the Republican ideology has managed to get "most" governors elected,

It shows no such thing. All it does is show that there are more Republican governors, but doesn't explain why. Tell me, was it "Republican ideology" that got Mitt Romney elected in a traditionally strong Blue state where both senators, all 10 members of Congress and 87% of state legislators are Democrats, and just 13% of voters are registered Republicans?

Kathleen Sebelius, a Democrat, is governor of Red state Kansas, where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats by nearly 2-to-1. Was it her Democrat ideology that got her elected in friggin Kansas!? Of course not, and only an idiot would try to use numbers from gubernatorial elections to tell us how Americans feel about either side.

Here is a graphic showing how the gubernatorial elections cannot be used to explain Red or Blue stereotypes as you would have it. The fact is Governors tend to be more moderate in order to win elections in their own state. That's why Romney was pro-abortion and pro-individual mandates in Massachusetts, but then dropped all of that "Liberal think" when it came to the Presidential election. My step father is about as Republican as you can get, but he voted for Zell Miller (Democrat Gov in Red State Georgia) every time because he liked some of the things he did and he saw no evidence that he'd be an extreme leftist.

Get with the program subgenius, this should be common knowledge to anyone paying attention to American politics. There are at least eight Blue states with GOP governors and at least 12 Red states with Democrat governors.

So your attempt to use gubernatorial elections as a way to prove how most Americans feel about Republican ideology, is downright idiotic.

"most" house of reps elected (lower and upper chambers), and most state legislators elected.....

Ditto above.

4. KG claims that #3 is irrelevant to #1 (mainly due to idiocy brought about by MSNBC)

I've yet to quote MSNBC and I have no idea what MSNBC would have to say on the matter. You know where I'm getting my facts, and apparently it pisses you off. So you just blame MSNBC and refuse to accept refutation. That figures.

simply because it contradicts his conclusion that #1 is true because Obama got elected.

A conclusion that is based on the indisputable fact that mot American voters voted for Obama over Romney. Yet you claim Republican ideology resonates well with "most Americans." Please reconcile this with the facts presented.

5. I claim that KG is continuing his fine tradition of displaying a certain level of stupidity when it comes to American politics and common sense

Yes, because I'm not so desperate that I have to ignore every poll, survey, and of course the Presidential election results, to support a meme conjured up in the Right Wing bubble about how most Americans really do agree with their rhetoric.

A level that i have previously asserted is due to his love affair with watching MSNBC and FOX as a means to "inform" his opinion.

I don't think I've watched a show on either channel in about a week. Maybe longer.

Does all this idiotic rambling mean you're not going to support your assertions with evidence anytime soon? Every time you think you have something, I shoot it down.

Congressional elections: FAIL.

Gubernatorial elections: FAIL.

Gallup Poll: EPIC FAIL.

Having fun yet?

Oh and we're still waiting for your evidence that says only 14% of Israel supports Obama.

Kevin Graham wrote: But his paranoid "the debt is going to destroy the USA" philosophy makes him the typical "yes man" back in the bubble, one that doesn't stand a chance in a Presidential election. Republicans have to understand this isn't about race, it is about their ideology that simply doesn't resonate with most Americans.

Sorry Kevin, but America isn't different. Eventually, we will have the same economic reckoning that comes to every country that continues to spend more than it takes in. Right now we're just arguing over what form that reckoning will take.

Whether or not this "ideology" resonates with most Americans doesn't change the fact that the day will come. Because it's not "ideology", it's math.