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Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the norm

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:47 pm
by _bcspace
A Pennsylvania jury will soon render a verdict on whether abortionist Dr. Kermit Gosnell murdered four babies who survived abortions as well as a woman who was one of his patients, but a new series of videos from Live Action suggest that Gosnell’s actions are not out of the mainstream.

Live Action President Lila Rose told WND her group has already released two videos showing abortion providers in New York City and Washington, D.C., explaining how they would do nothing to help a baby who survived an abortion to survive.

The 10-year Planned Parenthood adviser tells an undercover Live Action investigator that if she were to deliver her baby alive while at home between the stages in her two-day abortion, that she should just “flush it.” The female official also said that the woman definitely should not call a hospital because it wouldn’t help her since the abortion had already started. She further asserted that any surviving baby would die once it was submerged in a toxic solution inside a jar.

In Washington, Dr. Caesare Santanegelo admits that he is legally bound to help a baby who survived an abortion to stay alive – but that he would not. Santangelo said he would call 9-1-1 but do nothing on his own to save the child’s life. He also criticized Virginia hospitals for their policy of trying to save those lives.

“Gosnell is not alone. This investigation shows already those in the Bronx and in D.C., abortion workers talking about how they would commit infanticide and how this is either the tactic they would use, whether to expose the infant or put it in a jar of toxic solution so that it will stop breathing,” said Rose, who added that these first two videos are just the beginning of this series which she contends will repeatedly show abortion practitioners having detailed knowledge of exactly what they would do if a baby survives an abortion – a description that almost never follows the law.

The Gosnell trial was part of the motivation for this video series, but Rose said personal stories and cold statistics prove this situation plays out far more often than the pro-choice movement would have Americans believe.

“We’ve had our eye on the late-term abortion industry because of the stories that have emerged of victims that survived abortion attempts and then lived to tell about it or the stories of women who suffered or are even killed because of the abortion,” said Rose.

“Then we came across statistics like out of the U.K., where the study was done about one in 10 children in the late term survive their abortion attempt. This is because you’re inducing labor at this stage and the child, supposed to have been killed with forceps or poison, may come out alive,” she said.

While Rose would love to see proper enforcement of existing laws on late-term abortions in addition to new laws, she said real progress will come when abortion is no longer legal in America. She is also pushing hard against the conventional thought that having access to abortions empowers women.

The abortion movement is built upon this false protection, supposedly, of women’s rights, but how does this support or empower women to have them involved in ghastly two to three-day procedures that literally rip their children from their wombs and endanger their physical and psychological health,” she said. “This is not good for women, just as this is clearly not good for our society because we’re killing our weakest children when they’re in their most vulnerable state.”

Rose said new videos could come in the next several days.

Babies drowned alive in toxic liquid. New, horrific discoveries in New York, Washington, D.C.


See also:

Gosnell nightmare: What if there are more? Media whisper about abortion-industry violence, death

What was that statistic again about what percentage of abortions were for the life of the mother or severe deformities etc.? Less than one percent?

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:22 pm
by _Tarski
The article has no verifiable facts or numbers for perspective. It cannot be taken at face value.
It is only innuendo and weasel words like "suggest that" or "stories that have emerged".

"Stories have emerged"? Really? Stories have emerged about Bigfoot.

No distinction is made between flushing a 3 week old fetus (not a person!) and drowning a struggling 8 month old viable infant.
We are essentially asked to believe that nurses and doctors just like killing happy little babies for fun (ya riiight). The insinuation is that the worst unsubstantiated gruesome fantasy of antiabortionists is the norm. But there is absolutely no reason to think that. None.
This is the worst kind of journalism.

But it is exactly the kind of crap that wingnuts like BCSpace thrive on. Fantasy and preconception confirming rumor are what drives the far right.

Folk, don't just accept this just because someone wrote it.


The truth is that abortion will happen whether it is legal or not and when and where it is not legal, both the incidence of harm to the mother and the incidence of dubiously late term abortions goes up! In short, more horror when legal means are illegal.


The truth is also that most abortions terminate the development of a fetus that is nowhere near being a person or even conscious. There is no one there to protect.

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:15 pm
by _subgenius
Tarski wrote:The article has no verifiable facts or numbers for perspective. It cannot be taken at face value.
It is only innuendo and weasel words like "suggest that" or "stories that have emerged".

"Stories have emerged"? Really? Stories have emerged about Bigfoot.

yep, and stories have emerged about 4th grade "creationist" exams.....cherry picker

Tarski wrote:No distinction is made between flushing a 3 week old fetus (not a person!)

not a person? ... CFR

Tarski wrote: and drowning a struggling 8 month old viable infant.

there is no reason to consider that Planned Parenthood would make such a distinction.

Tarski wrote:We are essentially asked to believe that nurses and doctors just like killing happy little babies for fun (ya riiight).

not for fun, i believe they do it for profit....unless you have evidence that concludes that abortion doctors perform the procedure just for the fellowship.
Besides, like you, they do not consider it a baby (person).

Tarski wrote:The insinuation is that the worst unsubstantiated gruesome fantasy of antiabortionists is the norm. But there is absolutely no reason to think that. None.
This is the worst kind of journalism.

really? pretty sure Hearst set the bar pretty high. But hey, as long Romney firing Big Bird gets traction.

Tarski wrote:But it is exactly the kind of crap that wingnuts like BCSpace thrive on. Fantasy and preconception confirming rumor are what drives the far right.

Folk, don't just accept this just because someone wrote it.

i really don't have the time or resources to verify everything i read...couldn't we just settle on your method of "believe only what you agree with"?


The truth is that abortion will happen whether it is legal or not and when and where it is not legal, both the incidence of harm to the mother and the incidence of dubiously late term abortions goes up! In short, more horror when legal means are illegal.


Tarski wrote:The truth is also that most abortions terminate the development of a fetus that is nowhere near being a person or even conscious. There is no one there to protect.

CFR
So, if only a fewreal people are killed then that is ok...i like that method too...lost a lot popularity over the years, but i am glad to see that you are making a push for the return of "the end justifies the means"....maybe Toyota should have used you in response to all those engine accelerating deaths...i mean only a few people died - many more real people lived...the design could not have been that bad.

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:14 am
by _Tarski
subgenius wrote:So, if only a fewreal people are killed then that is ok
.

Isn't that your attitude about guns? ....and cars for that matter
hundreds of times more lives would be saved by lowering the speed limit another 10 mph than by making abortion illegal.
Well, in fact, making it illegal actually increases harm.

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:34 pm
by _Imwashingmypirate
Is this the same Doctor that was said to have cut the back of babies necks because they survived the abortion? I read a story about it and I could cry. It is horrific. How can those people having the abortion allow that?

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:05 pm
by _bcspace
Sycloria Williams was recovering from a botched abortion at her Pompano, Fla., home on July 21, 2006, when two homicide detectives knocked on her door. They asked if she knew why they were there. “Yes,” Williams said immediately. “Because the baby was born alive.”1

It took investigators one week and three separate searches to find the corpse of Williams’s infant, which was hidden away in the abortion clinic in Hialeah, Fla.2 It was a tiny black girl, only 25.5 centimeters from head to toe, born prematurely on July 20. Her body was badly decomposed, discolored and infested with maggots, but the autopsy report and an expert physician’s review both suggested she had drawn breath on her own before she died.3

The body had been hidden, according to a tip received by the police, on the roof4 or perhaps in the dropped ceiling of the abortion clinic,5 then later in a biohazard bag within a medical-waste box in the malodorous recovery room.6 Florida’s Department of Health later alleged that Williams’s doctor had “falsified [her] medical records in an apparent effort to conceal his errors and the true events of July 20, 2006.”7

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Dr. Frantz Bazile arrived in Florida with a shady medical record. According to a complaint by the Illinois Department of Professional Regulation, in September 1987, Bazile had performed a late-second-trimester abortion on a 17-year-old, which he thoroughly mangled. He lacerated her vagina and cervix, also digging out spongy material from her body that he failed to recognize was mature placental tissue. The girl consequently began bleeding profusely, so Bazile began suturing her vaginal vein. Finally, an ambulance had to be called, and the girl was taken to the hospital for an emergency C-section. The baby was born alive, but it died later the same day.8The Illinois Department of Professional Regulation accepted a proposed settlement from Bazile, placing him on three years’ probation.9

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Like the Gosnell case, the story of these Florida clinics is representative of the abortion industry’s seedy underside.

Abortion is, quite simply, a lucrative profession for its practitioners, including the crooked or incompetent ones: In August 2012, the research firm IBISWorld Inc. noted that the recession had decreased the demand for babies, boosting revenue in the abortion business. It forecast 4 percent average annual growth for the Family Planning and Abortion Clinics industry through 2017.92

Women seeking an abortion often rely heavily on confidentiality, a reasonable expectation. But the secrecy that shrouds the procedures can also protect unethical doctors. Furthermore, abortion rates are higher among women with lower educational attainment.93 They may be at greater risk for being taken advantage of and harmed.

Finally, the charged politics surrounding abortion prompt many to look the other way, even when a practice devolves, as it did in Kermit Gosnell’s clinic, to truly horrific levels.

These factors can create a situation that puts both women and newborn babies at mortal risk. In the end, the owners and practitioners at sinister clinics are the only ones whose interests are served.

National Review: Abortion’s Underside


That's putting it mildly. This is a six page article by the way. The nightmare goes on and on. "The Family Planning and Abortion Clinics industry" is just another way of saying Planned Parenthood and IntegraMed America Inc.

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:24 am
by _bcspace

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:17 pm
by _EAllusion
subgenius wrote:yep, and stories have emerged about 4th grade "creationist" exams.....cherry picker


You are aware what you are referring to gained fame because there is a circulated photocopy of it, right?

Probably not.

So here you go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... grees.html

That's not "stories have emerged." That's an exact photocopy.

Re: Just Flush It: Abortion doctor Gosnell is actually the n

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:11 pm
by _Res Ipsa
EAllusion wrote:
subgenius wrote:yep, and stories have emerged about 4th grade "creationist" exams.....cherry picker


You are aware what you are referring to gained fame because there is a circulated photocopy of it, right?

Probably not.

So here you go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... grees.html

That's not "stories have emerged." That's an exact photocopy.


Someone needs to brush up on his logical fallacies.