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Troops in London were advised in the immediate aftermath of yesterday’s attack not to wear their uniforms outside their bases

But at Cobra this morning, it was agreed that issuing orders against wearing military uniforms in public would not be the right response to the outrage

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4939124/Woolwich-terror-suspect-revealed-sources-name-man-as-Michael-Adebolajo.html#ixzz2U7bDTXfJ

The right response is to allow them to carry arms off base and indeed the whole population should have the right to keep and bear arms. An armed citizen could have stopped this.

Wait. You think someone would've drawn down and fired on two guys hacking to death someone else? Mmmm... I disagree. People are generally hesitant to get involved, and additionally they'd most likely be arrested for having discharged their weapons within the city.

That said, I agree that people need to stop being passive in the face of aggression by religionists, and stand up for their rights.

- Doc

bcspace wrote:The right response is to allow them to carry arms off base and indeed the whole population should have the right to keep and bear arms. An armed citizen could have stopped this.

The percent of deaths by guns by population in England is 0.07%.

In the U.S. it's 2.97%.

That's because people in England don't carry guns.

Quasimodo wrote:

bcspace wrote:The right response is to allow them to carry arms off base and indeed the whole population should have the right to keep and bear arms. An armed citizen could have stopped this.

The percent of deaths by guns by population in England is 0.07%.

In the U.S. it's 2.97%.

That's because people in England don't carry guns.

Yet the Percent of ACTUAL violent death hasn't gone down AT ALL, ZERO NADA!!!

However the % of innocents being victims has increased dramatically, the percent of robbery's, violent assaults, etc. has all gone up drastically. Further, the death by gun stats don't differentiate between lawful usage and unlawful usage, making the stats deceptive.

Way to go..... Take away guns, make people victims. Gun Control, great success!

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wait. You think someone would've drawn down and fired on two guys hacking to death someone else? Mmmm... I disagree. People are generally hesitant to get involved, and additionally they'd most likely be arrested for having discharged their weapons within the city.

Clearly you don't handle guns. Anyone that actually has and handles a gun 99% of the time would most certainly pull it out and fire on someone killing or wounding them. Or they can fire it in the air in a safe manner to stop them, and/or hold them at gun point. Gun owners are not the "timid" type. You don't know what you are talking about. And as to discharging a gun, well that's also a bad liberal/fascist law. If someone is lawfully discharging a gun, then there should be no law against it.

That said, I agree that people need to stop being passive in the face of aggression by religionists, and stand up for their rights.

- Doc

Without the "power" to do so..... people are defenseless to stand up for their/your rights.
Even if someone else had a knife, even myself, I would be resistant to getting involved. A gun however gives you some space and protection, even going against another gun. A knife is all over the place, one stab/slice and you're dead. People aren't trained knife fighters. And a gun you don't have to be as trained.

ldsfaqs wrote:

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wait. You think someone would've drawn down and fired on two guys hacking to death someone else? Mmmm... I disagree. People are generally hesitant to get involved, and additionally they'd most likely be arrested for having discharged their weapons within the city.

Clearly you don't handle guns. Anyone that actually has and handles a gun 99% of the time would most certainly pull it out and fire on someone killing or wounding them. Or they can fire it in the air in a safe manner to stop them, and/or hold them at gun point. Gun owners are not the "timid" type. You don't know what you are talking about. And as to discharging a gun, well that's also a bad liberal/fascist law. If someone is lawfully discharging a gun, then there should be no law against it.

That said, I agree that people need to stop being passive in the face of aggression by religionists, and stand up for their rights.

- Doc

Without the "power" to do so..... people are defenseless to stand up for their/your rights.
Even if someone else had a knife, even myself, I would be resistant to getting involved. A gun however gives you some space and protection, even going against another gun. A knife is all over the place, one stab/slice and you're dead. People aren't trained knife fighters. And a gun you don't have to be as trained.

If someone is lawfully discharging a gun, there is by definition no law against it. That is what lawfully means.

The elevator just doesn't make it all the way to the top......

People are generally hesitant to get involved,

I disagree. This type of thing is one of the reasons people carry.

and additionally they'd most likely be arrested for having discharged their weapons within the city.

In a New York or Chicago style environment they might. But much less likely in a red state style 2nd Amendment environment which is what is wanted.

ldsfaqs wrote:Yet the Percent of ACTUAL violent death hasn't gone down AT ALL, ZERO NADA!!!

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see actual survey numbers that show it. I assume by "violent death," you are not including accidental violent deaths, such as in cars, hang gliders, etc.

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with assailants who are only armed with knives and clubs, thank you.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
That said, I agree that people need to stop being passive in the face of aggression by religionists, and stand up for their rights.

- Doc

I sure wish the Russian people had done that, or been able to do that, in 1917.

krose wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote:Yet the Percent of ACTUAL violent death hasn't gone down AT ALL, ZERO NADA!!!

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see actual survey numbers that show it. I assume by "violent death," you are not including accidental violent deaths, such as in cars, hang gliders, etc.

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with assailants who are only armed with knives and clubs, thank you.

You don't hear too many reports of drive by clubbings.