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Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirmation

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:50 pm
by _bcspace
Let’s take a stroll down memory lane. It’s 2009, and Elena Kagan is answering questions during her confirmation hearing for the position of Solicitor General within the Obama administration. According to William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, who posted this piece on March 25, this is what she had to say about gay marriage:

1. As Solicitor General, you would be charged with defending the Defense of Marriage Act. That law, as you may know, was enacted by overwhelming majorities of both houses of Congress (85-14 in the Senate and 342-67 in the House) in 1996 and signed into law by President Clinton.

a. Given your rhetoric about the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy—you called it “a profound wrong—a moral injustice of the first order”—let me ask this basic question: Do you believe that there is a federal constitutional right to samesex marriage?

Answer: There is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

b. Have you ever expressed your opinion whether the federal Constitution should be read to confer a right to same-sex marriage? If so, please provide details.

Answer: I do not recall ever expressing an opinion on this question.

Since gay marriage has been thrusted into the political limelight again, Jacobson has resurrected his posts about Kagan from three years ago. Now, when Jacobson posted about Kagan’s remarks, he was criticized by some conservatives, including Hot Air’s Allahpundit, over the semantics. National Review’s Maggie Gallagher went a bit further, and called Jacobson’s post “shameful.” Thankfully, Gallagher’s colleague at National Review, Ed Whelan, provided Jacobson with her letter to then-Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pennsylvania) at the time to clarify the issue.

In a March 18, 2009 letter (embedded below, at pp. 11-12), which is not publicly available but which Whelan kindly provided to me, Kagan supplemented her written answers at the request of Arlen Specter. Here is the language in the letter seized upon by my critics to show that Kagan really didn’t mean what she said, and really just was opining as to the current state of the law:

Constitutional rights are a product of constitutional text as interpreted by courts and understood by the nation’s citizenry and its elected representatives. By this measure, which is the best measure I know for determining whether a constitutional right exists, there is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

These sentences do make it seem as if Kagan walked away from her prior written statement that “[t]here is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.”

But these sentences are not the full supplemental response. Immediately preceding these sentences was the following language:

I previously answered this question briefly, but (I had hoped) clearly, saying that “[t]here is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.” I meant for this statement to bear its natural meaning.

When the full supplemental statement by Kagan is read in context, there is nothing to suggest that Kagan was walking away from her written statement that there is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

Of additional interest is that when the Massachusetts Supreme Court found a state constitutional right to same-sex marriage, 18 Harvard Law School professors signed onto an amicus [i.e., friend of the court] brief supporting that ruling. But not Kagan.

Now, it’s Justice Kagan, and I wonder if she still thinks that “there is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.” Then again, she could just hop on the bandwagon like everyone else. Sorry Politico, but this is the real ‘gotcha‘ story.

Kagan ’09: ‘There Is No Constitutional Right To Same-Sex Marriage’


No, I don't believe she changed her mind either.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:05 pm
by _ldsfaqs
We ALL knew she was lying about several things, from her past words and records.

But, that's what liberals do, in order to get what they want, they lie, pretending to be something they are not if it's not considered "popular". Obama does it all the time.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:38 am
by _Analytics
Are you suggesting that she really does believe that there is a federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage? If so, CFR. If not, what are you claiming she lied about?

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:04 am
by _Darth J
bcspace, please copy and paste the language from United States v. Windsor, or whatever the hell case you think you're talking about, where Kagan wrote an opinion, or concurred in an opinion, that there is a federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:05 am
by _ldsfaqs
Hey wankers.....

Just because someone doesn't "say" there is a "constitutional right" to Gay Marriage, yet they entirely believe there is a "right" to Gay Marriage, and to indicate it under LAW that they have that right (enough that that person was one of 5 who stuck down DOMA), doesn't mean that person is not "usurping" and by default indicating that there IS a constitutional right to gay marriage.

Liberal word games in which they LIE to people, making them think they would be one way when really they are another makes them LIARS, not truth tellers.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:37 pm
by _Analytics
ldsfaqs wrote:Hey wankers.....

Just because someone doesn't "say" there is a "constitutional right" to Gay Marriage, yet they entirely believe there is a "right" to Gay Marriage, and to indicate it under LAW that they have that right (enough that that person was one of 5 who stuck down DOMA), doesn't mean that person is not "usurping" and by default indicating that there IS a constitutional right to gay marriage.

Liberal word games in which they LIE to people, making them think they would be one way when really they are another makes them LIARS, not truth tellers.

If the Supreme Court ruled that there is a Constitutional right to same-sex marriage, how come a same-sex couple living in Utah can't get married?

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:36 pm
by _Brackite
If the Supreme Court ruled that there is a Constitutional right to same-sex marriage, how come a same-sex couple living in Utah can't get married?


That is because the Supreme Court has Not ruled that it is a Constitutional right to allow same-sex marriages in all of the 50 States.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:54 am
by _ldsfaqs
Well aware they decided to leave it up to the states, hence by default considering it a "right".

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:35 am
by _Analytics
ldsfaqs wrote:Well aware they decided to leave it up to the states, hence by default considering it a "right".

Let's see if I follow your logic: since she leaves the gay marriage issue up to the states, she thinks gay marriage is a Constitutionally guaranteed right, right?

If that is what it means to have a Constitutionally guaranteed right, then the Constitutional right to bear arms means that the federal government leaves it up to the states to decide whether their residents may own guns.

Re: Elena Kagan: Lied About Gay Marriage During Her Confirma

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:13 pm
by _ldsfaqs
You don't get it.... They "removed" the DOMA act, thus by "law" redefining marriage.

We are not saying that she believes the "constitution" guarantees the right to gay marriage, we are saying she believes in and uses the law to make it a right.

She lies because she has and will vote against any law that goes against or prevents gay marriage, and will use the law to allow it.

She struck down a law banning gay marriage, DOMA..... By default she believes gay marriage is a right, even constitutional because she made a law that restricted it "unconstitutional".

I know it's a "fine" line, but this isn't the first issue with these liberals on the court.