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Droopy wrote:This has a history going back decades, of course. Here's just one over the past several years, also from the same Western European social democratic corporatist welfare sate known as "California."

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20 ... /912219968

Poor, poor atheists. So fragile. So tender in their sensibilities. The rape of the First Amendment regarding the Establishment Clause and the wholly extra-constitutional and ahistorical affixing of a brazenly fictitious "separation of church and state," defined as "separation of religion qua religion from the public square" should have been stopped dead in its tracks long ago. Unfortunately, the sheeple are also, many of them, at the same time, wolves nipping and tearing at the constitution themselves and who could not have provided an effective defense of that document had they been aware or educated enough to do so.

Darth J wrote:
Droopy, let's say a high school whose student body is overwhelmingly Christian allows prayers at the start of football games that are led by students and given by students. The prayers end up being entirely Christian prayers. A tiny minority of the student body is offended by this, claiming that it imposes Christianity on them and causes them to be treated as outcasts by other students. Would it be right for one or two students to have a federal judge prohibit the school from allowing these prayers because it is offensive to those one or two students and imposes Christian religious beliefs on them? I say yes, because it would violate the Establishment Clause.

Your opinion?

ldsfaqs wrote:

Darth J wrote:
Droopy, let's say a high school whose student body is overwhelmingly Christian allows prayers at the start of football games that are led by students and given by students. The prayers end up being entirely Christian prayers. A tiny minority of the student body is offended by this, claiming that it imposes Christianity on them and causes them to be treated as outcasts by other students. Would it be right for one or two students to have a federal judge prohibit the school from allowing these prayers because it is offensive to those one or two students and imposes Christian religious beliefs on them? I say yes, because it would violate the Establishment Clause.

Your opinion?

You start with a straw-man as usual....

In a truly pluralistic society that is "tolerant" of each other as human beings, those "minorities" would be equally represented as long as the values promoted were within public human decency. In other words, any individual of religion or no religion can reasonably be represented by their having prayer AND/or a moment of silence if they don't believe in prayer to represent their value systems.

Further, since when did someone "being offended" equal actual offense under law or reason?
Public display of belief is not the same thing as "imposing" either.
YOU being intolerant and not wanting to "hear" or "see" religious belief is not them imposing on others.

More so, this never was a problem for atheists before until liberals came along. And people in other religions were still generally represented. For example, sometimes a Jew would pray, sometimes a Catholic, a Protestant, etc.

Atheists have never been considered "outcasts". Kids that grow up together tolerate each others differences. Only liberals and the intolerant have made this into a problem.

And as to the Establishment clause, the state is not "establishing" religion, the state is allowing FREEDOM, the free exercise thereof. And only involves itself to keep fairness and order. PERIOD.

You start with a straw-man as usual....

ldsfaqs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmttUXUGfI

One guy even goes into great detail how he's for the ban, thus this is not a joke.

ldsfaqs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmttUXUGfI

One guy even goes into great detail how he's for the ban, thus this is not a joke.

Darth J wrote:All right, so given that my hypothetical is a straw man, what should be the outcome if it ever did happen in real life?

Analytics wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmttUXUGfI

One guy even goes into great detail how he's for the ban, thus this is not a joke.

This is a video of a Christian asking strangers to sign a petition that takes away the first-amendment right of Christians. And in some clips he busts out laughing in the middle of his pitch. And the amendment is going to be successful. And it is not a joke. Got it.