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Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:45 am
by _ldsfaqs
“There is no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” - Ronald Reagan

The above is Krose's quote..... Now here's the actual quote and context of it.

Newspaper: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... 72,5010951

Asked for his reaction the Governor commented that "American's don't go around carrying guns with the idea that they are using them to influence other Americans. There's no reason on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons."

He agreed however with the groups contention they have the right to bear arms.


1. Now, the context of this statement is immediately after an event in which 26 17-26 year old black men "Black Panthers" barged into the Legislature building with loaded guns some illegal demanding their rights.

2. It is true that this was in response to the proposed Mulford Act which Reagan did ultimately sign that prohibited "loaded" guns from being carried.

3. However, ultimately the methods they used, the "threat" they imposed was wrong, which was what Reagan was responding to.

4. Both the act and Reagan's statement were in response to "loaded" weapons, not the carrying of weapons themselves. He even specifically states that they DO have a right to bear arms.

5. It should be noted that this act and response back then was primarily for "safety" reasons, because not all guns had safety's, and safety's could often be flipped and the gun accidentally fired. As well, a round should not be needing to be in a chamber of a weapon unless it's going to be used.

6. It should be noted that Reagan had only been a Republican for about 5 years by that time after a lifetime of being a Democrat. Someone doesn't all of a sudden necessarily become an expert on gun rights over-night. Further, citizens who don't confront violence every day, it's entirely reasonable for a law preventing a round to be in the chamber, a.k.a. "loaded". I personally don't think it's necessary and really does anything, and could potentially cause issues when a gun has to be used in the rare case, but it's at least not unreasonable.

In conclusion:

As usual, Liberals use "facts" to tell great lies. The actual truth and facts of that statement shows Reagan to be pro-gun rights, and the right to self-defense, and not anti-gun like Krose and his fellow liberal liars would have us believe.

And yes, I know that Reagan was for the Brady Bill which simply required background checks which many states did not, and a 7 day waiting period for "handguns" ONLY which many states did not. These again, while not preferred, not unreasonable either.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:51 am
by _ldsfaqs
by the way... I spent about an hour researching, getting all the facts of this issue and Reagan on gun control.

I bet you anything that Krose didn't even spend 5 Minutes researching this quote.
I bet he just saw it, and posted it, not caring at all if it was an accurate quote in context AND in context of Reagans beliefs. But because he could use it to slam Republicans, he used it without any thought whatsoever.

I bet he also didn't notice the "loaded" part of the statement, thus believing that Reagan was simply trying to ban guns period from being carried.

But that's liberals and anti-mormons for you. They don't get all the whole truth, they only quote-mine and then THINK they are telling the truth.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:10 am
by _krose
ldsfaqs wrote:"lying Ronald Reagan"

Hmm. I think I've heard those words put together before. The line certainly has a familiar -- and authentic -- ring to it.

by the way... I spent about an hour researching, getting all the facts of this issue and Reagan on gun control.

If you keep practicing at this "reading" thing, you may eventually get to the point where you don't have to move your lips as you go, or call your mom in to help with the bigger words.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:29 am
by _Bazooka
ldsfaqs wrote:by the way... I spent about an hour researching, getting all the facts of this issue and Reagan on gun control.

I bet you anything that Krose didn't even spend 5 Minutes researching this quote.
I bet he just saw it, and posted it, not caring at all if it was an accurate quote in context AND in context of Reagans beliefs. But because he could use it to slam Republicans, he used it without any thought whatsoever.

I bet he also didn't notice the "loaded" part of the statement, thus believing that Reagan was simply trying to ban guns period from being carried.

But that's liberals and anti-mormons for you. They don't get all the whole truth, they only quote-mine and then THINK they are telling the truth.


ldsfaqs,

What's the point of a person carrying a gun around that isn't loaded?

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:10 am
by _ldsfaqs
Loaded mean's "not in the chamber" if you've read my post....

Also, look on Youtube for open carry in California, and you'll see cops doing illegal chamber checks, simply because someone is open carrying. I say illegal because it's illegal search and seizure under the 4th Amendment.

Someone doing a lawful activity isn't probable cause enough to detain or touch a citizens person or property.

Further, California has determined/changed the other law in which "loaded" is considered even the clip in the gun, which is too far in my mind. Further in 2012 California completely banned Open Carry, completely illegal.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:12 am
by _ldsfaqs
Krose..... You almost always making personal attacks instead of making argument and defending your position with ANY statement let alone facts and logic, shows clearly how poor your arguments are.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:00 pm
by _krose
ldsfaqs wrote:Krose..... You almost always making personal attacks...


ldsfaqs wrote:idiot... moron... evil... slimeball... stupid... lie... liar... <and so much more>

Ah, thank you again, Brother faq, for pointing out so effectively the evil of my ways. I'll be sure to take it very seriously and follow your righteous example.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:28 pm
by _krose
Yes, it seems that I, as a lying liberal, failed to include minute details in a signature quote. Scandalous!

These important details include the fact that Hero Ronnie didn't want to actually confiscate anyone's guns by supporting and signing the Mulford Act; he just wanted to make sure those guns wouldn't be loaded and usable. Any reasonable person reading the quote below would, of course, assume that "carrying loaded weapons" meant he wanted to take all their weapons away. Such an unconscionable oversight. I apologize and will, or course, amend the offending signature forthwith.

Also, as Brother faq so eloquently points out, Hero Ronnie must be forgiven for supporting gun control in 1967, because the taint of being a Democrat had not yet worn off. Makes sense to me. And there was still some residual leftist infection nearly two decades later, when he fully supported the Brady Bill. We must cut him some slack on these matters, unlike Herr Hitler-Muslim-Obama, who consistently defends the right to armed self defense, but only with his words and his actions, when we all know what's really in his heart (we just do, so shut up!).

The erudite Brother faq also rightly points out it was black people who were carrying the guns at that time, so of course it was entirely appropriate for Hero Ronnie to limit their second amendment rights. The white founding fathers never intended for their property to be walking around with loaded weapons, any more than they believed their property and womenfolk should ever be allowed to vote (thankfully, the Supreme Court took care of that by allowing states to once again legally prevent the wrong colors of people from voting). Original intent is awesome.

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:06 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Hello Mr. Krose,

Do you live amongst Black people?

- Doc

Re: Krose's lying Ronald Reagan Gun quote....

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:25 pm
by _krose
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Do you live amongst Black people?

Some. Not a lot. Why?

Do I need to list my black friends to bolster credibility, a la Brother fax? No thanks. They, and my interactions with them, are irrelevant.