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Greenland was settled by vikings during the last solar warming period, which is also why they travelled so far in general during this time period-the northern world was warm. They grew crops, and there were lots of trees. Even today on the borders of greenland there is still tree vegitation.

Anyway, I never claimed it was "entirely" green, nor was I addressing the epidimiology of the name, simply that it used to be much warmer and greener.

I'm aware that this is true, but even at best, the Greenland settlers had a very rough time of it, and I seriously question the accuracy of the adverb "much." It is my understanding that their desired lifestyle and rate of exploitation of the available resources was unsustainable in Greenland for very long, even at the height of that warm period.

Quasimodo wrote:

EmilyAnn wrote:For various business reasons, my nuclear--plus my maternal--family spent a great deal of time in the desert areas when I was growing up, and Joshua trees were (to me) important parts of those trips.

Some of them, as individuals, became like friends to me, and I would "visit" them when we were anywhere near to them on those particular trips.

I didn't pay attention (or maybe I didn't see) the moths--I don't ever remember seeing a moth around a Joshua tree. (I did see birds, and snakes, and reptiles like horned toads--all of which became part of my perceived "family" to me.)

This is sad to read.

I lived for a few years in the Antelope Valley and used to run my dog through the Joshua Trees. I love them.

Did you know that they commit suicide?

Rain is rare where they grow so they suck up as much moisture as possible when it's available. The very large old ones will suck up so much water after a heavy rain that they collapse under their own weight.

Thank you for the picture of a Joshua tree moth!! What a wonderful surprise for an early Thurday morning! Now I will never forget what they look like.

I love the Joshua trees too...and no, I didn't know that they commit suicide--but it makes sense to me.

In the more coastal areas, I'm also very concerned about the Spanish oaks. (I know they're not called that, but of course they are Spanish oaks! What else would you call the trees of Zorro and Joaquin Murrieta??) Despite the laws protecting them, they are being killed on purpose by land developers, and I feel so much for them.

Thank you Quasimodo...this was a beautiful and unexpected gift for me and I appreciate it immensely.

EmilyAnn wrote:Thank you Quasimodo...this was a beautiful and unexpected gift for me and I appreciate it immensely.

Just because of a picture of a moth?

Dr. Shades wrote:

EmilyAnn wrote:Thank you Quasimodo...this was a beautiful and unexpected gift for me and I appreciate it immensely.

Just because of a picture of a moth?

Hey! I have to take whatever few kind words I can around here.

Besides, it was a very good macro photo and a very cute moth.

Dr. Shades wrote:

EmilyAnn wrote:Thank you Quasimodo...this was a beautiful and unexpected gift for me and I appreciate it immensely.

Just because of a picture of a moth?

Yup!!!

I had never seen one before (that I know of...or remember anyway), and I just learned that these particular moths are critical in the survival of Joshua trees--which were an important part of my life during some of my growing up years.

This was a unique and thoughtful gift which took time and effort to find and then post here for me...and for everyone who loves Joshua trees.

My Mom taught me that writing thank you notes for gifts, especially those which included thought and effort (as did locating this photo and posting it), was one of the important responsibilities in life...and I'm sure she would have included cyberspace, too if she had known that after she died something called "cyberspace" was going to be invented and would become a Very Big Deal.

Glad you noticed.

EmilyAnn wrote:Yup!!!

I had never seen one before (that I know of...or remember anyway), and I just learned that these particular moths are critical in the survival of Joshua trees--which were an important part of my life during some of my growing up years.

This was a unique and thoughtful gift which took time and effort to find and then post here for me...and for everyone who loves Joshua trees.

My Mom taught me that writing thank you notes for gifts, especially those which included thought and effort (as did locating this photo and posting it), was one of the important responsibilities in life...and I'm sure she would have included cyberspace, too if she had known that after she died something called "cyberspace" was going to be invented and would become a Very Big Deal.

Glad you noticed.

Thank you, EmilyAnn!

Your Mom taught you well.

I've been looking for a good image of oaks with spanish moss hanging down near Lompoc, CA. I haven't found one I like, yet.

Meanwhile, here's a decent shot of oaks near a vineyard in Paso Robles, CA.



Roble is the Spanish word for a California White Oak. Spanish Oak?

Nice post!

Stela2 wrote:Nice post!

Thanks, Stela2! Welcome to the board!

I love nature. It sounds like you do, too.

EmilyAnn wrote: as did locating this photo and posting it

What does mean "posting a photo" (or any picture...) ?

You know --- I have no such option...

Quasimodo wrote:
Besides, it was a very good macro photo and a very cute moth.

From little moths come the Silk Road and the shaping of human history.