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I just love this song. Ronnie Dunne called it the "Country boy state of the Union." With the situation in Iraq, refusal to build the keystone pipeline, we could be looking at lot more than $3 and change at the pump. High oil costs could be worse for this economy than the taxation.

http://www.totallyfuzzy.net/ourtube/ron ... e34d8.html

The trouble is, ajax, that the pipeline will not lower gas prices. That's not how the oil industry works.

Check this out from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/04/27/keystone-xl-wont-lower-gas-prices-it-might-raise-them/

Keystone XL Won't Lower Gas Prices, It Might Raise Them

ajax18 wrote:High oil costs could be worse for this economy than the taxation.

Bad for the economy perhaps (short term, anyway... alternative energy sources could eventually pick up the slack if enough investment is made), but great for the environment. Somehow, I think our environment is more important. I'm kooky that way, but I guess a great economy is meaningless at the bottom of an ocean.

I'm kooky that way, but I guess a great economy is meaningless at the bottom of an ocean.

Canada has already started building a pipeline to ship the oil west to barges bound for Asia. How has the environment benefited?

ajax18 wrote:Canada has already started building a pipeline to ship the oil west to barges bound for Asia. How has the environment benefited?

Over the Canadian Rockies? That will cost a boatload. It still might be the best solution. What port are they aiming for?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/canada-o ... ific-coast

Not sure which port. I'm also not sure how putting oil on a barge in the ocean for China to burn and risking it spilling is better for the environment. But even that is pretty small compared to the amount of oil spilled in the ocean during World War II.

If we had a Republican Congress that was more willing to compromise with President Obama, maybe Obama would have decided to have building the Keystone Pipeline. But we don't really have a Republican Congress that is willing to compromise with Obama, and I now mostly blame far right-wing radio talk show hosts as Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham for that.

ajax18 wrote:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/canada-oks-oil-pipeline-pacific-coast

Not sure which port. I'm also not sure how putting oil on a barge in the ocean for China to burn and risking it spilling is better for the environment. But even that is pretty small compared to the amount of oil spilled in the ocean during World War II.

Besides, this is our continent so it should be our oil.

moksha wrote:

ajax18 wrote:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/canada-oks-oil-pipeline-pacific-coast

Not sure which port. I'm also not sure how putting oil on a barge in the ocean for China to burn and risking it spilling is better for the environment. But even that is pretty small compared to the amount of oil spilled in the ocean during World War II.

Besides, this is our continent so it should be our oil.

No, says the free market.

We currently export roughly 4 million barrels of oil per day. You don't really think these corporations pushing for Keystone are just trying to be patriotic, do you? They're in it for the profit, and will sell it to the highest bidder. We might as well call Keystone the Chinastone pipeline.

Quasimodo wrote:

ajax18 wrote:Canada has already started building a pipeline to ship the oil west to barges bound for Asia. How has the environment benefited?

Over the Canadian Rockies? That will cost a boatload. It still might be the best solution. What port are they aiming for?

People need to keep in mind while pipelines are the best way to move the oil, the oil still moves without pipelines. Rail has seen a huge increase in shipping Oil. Canada will be able to move their oil to markets even without pipelines, but pipelines would be more efficient and safer. Also you don't have to built over the mountains when some good passes will do.

http://www.northerngateway.ca/project-details/route-map/