All Net Jobs Growth Has Gone To Illegal and Legal Immigrants

[_Kevin Graham]

Risking life and limb on the battlefield to retain your property and rights as a citizen is a terrible burden

Which has literally never happened in American history. Name me a single war that was all about soldiers fighting to keep their "property and rights." This is the fantasy conjured up by Right Wing story tellers who get others to worship the military. Even the Revolutionary war was fought by soldiers who wanted to remain British citizens, but were upset that they were not being represented in the political scheme.

I'm an Army brat who has lived on Army bases all over the world, and the number of people I grew up around who joined the military because they were trying to "sacrifice" themselves for their "property and rights" is exactly zero. Most of them were looking for a paycheck. Virtually all of them were under educated, low skilled, too lazy to work to pay for school, so they decided to mooch off the government so they could get free housing, free food, free healthcare, free travel and free education. Oh the irony, that this is the class of people the Republicans so adore. And here comes ajax taking it to another level, saying only these people are true citizens and not immigrants.

Three of my Dad's closest friends told me they joined the military because the judge gave them that choice over going to jail back in the 50's.

[_Quasimodo]

It sounds like your lovely wife may have had at least one ancestor that fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War. She qualifies!

Hold on there. Remember Ajax said you have to have ancestors that actually fought in the war. Only 1/3rd or so of the colonists supported the war. And of those, only a much smaller % actually fought in it, famous Arnold's aside. For instance, very few slaves fought in the war. Slave rape notwithstanding, you probably should question whether any black American you encounter is a real American.

It seems that there are very few US citizens in the US. No wonder voter turnout is so low these days. I wonder if the new conservative voter qualifications will include the question "Who, in your family, took up arms during the Revolutionary War"?

I still think Mrs. Ripley deserves dual citizenship.

[_Themis]

They still set the rules and conditions of immigration. They didn't allow any and every immigrant to come who desired to come.

Certainly they didn't want all races or cultures. I get the sense you feel similar in this regard. They did however not view only those who fought in the right-wing as the only natural citizens.

[_Themis]

Probably not. I suppose if a woman has a right to half her husbands earnings, she has as much to lose if the government seizes his property as he does. I don't see a conflict of interest in her voting if her husband and by extension she is paying taxes.

Probably not and I suppose are not very definitive. How about an 18 year old male who goes from high school to university and does not own any property or paid any income taxes yet? Should this citizen not be allowed to vote? How about we change it to a female who doesn't have to worry about being drafted? How about a male and female out of HS but are working at McDonald's? Or maybe a male out of HS who goes to work for his rich daddies company and is given a house so is also a property owner and pays property taxes. Should any of these citizens not be allowed to vote?

[_Themis]

It sounds like your lovely wife may have had at least one ancestor that fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War. She qualifies!

Hold on there. Remember Ajax said you have to have ancestors that actually fought in the war. Only 1/3rd or so of the colonists supported the war. And of those, only a much smaller % actually fought in it, famous Arnold's aside. For instance, very few slaves fought in the war. Slave rape notwithstanding, you probably should question whether any black American you encounter is a real American.

I brought as well that probably millions of non-US citizens have ancestors who fought in the right-wing against the British. Should they be considered natural born US citizens? As for black Americans who have slave ancestors I am willing to bet most of them do have ancestors who fought in the right-wing.

[_Brackite]

The law is written by the conqueror not the conquered.

Yes. Interesting is that those conquerors before, during, and after the Revolutionary War never agreed with you. Just as the majority today does not. When your children or grandchildren are outnumbered lets hope they(the majority) will be more kind then our European conquering ancestors were to the indigenous populations.

This Post basically reminds me of a Post from Bond over a year ago here:

The only way the Republicans win going forward is to suppress the vote or to change their message w/r/t to minority and youth interests. Old white people are dying at a clip of ~65k per month while ~100k Latinos are turning 18 every month. The electoral math isn't hard to figure out.

[_Brackite]

It seems that there are very few US citizens in the US. No wonder voter turnout is so low these days. I wonder if the new conservative voter qualifications will include the question "Who, in your family, took up arms during the Revolutionary War"?

Yes, the voter turnout for the 2014 midterms was the lowest in 72 years. - Link
However, the voter turnout from this recent election for the State of Colorado was pretty high.

"Yet in Colorado, Mr. Udall lost despite a better Democratic turnout than in 2010. So far, the state has tabulated 2.06 million ballots, or nearly 80 percent of the 2.57 million votes in the 2012 presidential election, according to an Upshot analysis of ballot tabulation data from the Colorado secretary of state. The turnout was nearly 300,000 votes higher than in 2010, when a strong Democratic turnout effort propelled Senator Michael Bennet to a come-from-behind victory."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/us/tu ... abg=1&_r=0

Senate election in Colorado, 2014:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... rado,_2014

[_Bret Ripley]

It sounds like your lovely wife may have had at least one ancestor that fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War. She qualifies!

Hold on there. Remember Ajax said you have to have ancestors that actually fought in the war. Only 1/3rd or so of the colonists supported the war. And of those, only a much smaller % actually fought in it, famous Arnold's aside. For instance, very few slaves fought in the war. Slave rape notwithstanding, you probably should question whether any black American you encounter is a real American.

Ah, but at least some of Sally Hemings' descendants may qualify as True Amerikans.

[_Quasimodo]

Ah, but at least some of Sally Hemings' descendants may qualify as True Amerikans.

I think they all do. Although, I don't think Jefferson actually fought in the right-wing. Just signed some papers and whatnot. Maybe it's a gray area.

Just a note, the correct spelling for Amerikans is Mercans.

[_ajax18]

IT's like this post is written in some bizarro world where the US doesn't maintain the most powerful military force in the world entirely with volunteers.

You have a good point. But does it bother you that people born into a lower socioeconomic class end up doing the fighting and dying than those who are not? I don't see the military as volunteers in the strict sense of the word. A paid volunteer is an oxymoron, is it not?