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Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:04 pm
by Res Ipsa
Marcus, that’s the way I am currently leaning. And Mike’s description of how he would use thread starter rights is a good illustration of why I am skeptical of enacting a thread starter rights rule. In Mike’s example of Ajax, if Ajax or anyone else reports the post, we delete the personal attack or move the post. But in his other example, he wants to simply remove any posts he doesn’t like. In other words, he wants to completely censor any opposing viewpoint from threads he starts. Talk about the opposite of free speech.
But I don’t think that problem would be limited to Mike. I’ve seen clear patterns in reports of rule violations and am skeptical that giving OPs thread starter rights would be applied in any kind of fair or objective manner.
We do defer to an OP by looking at the first post, the title, and the OPs other posts in the thread. And I’ve PM’d OPs when the scope of the topic isn’t clear. What we don’t do is permit OPs to limit who can participate in their threads based on who they like and don’t like.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:08 pm
by Marcus
Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:57 pm
… i’ll change Spirit prison…
…and I’ll change Spirit paradise….
No one would normally consider it their right or announce a plan to change entire forums when newly entering an existing community within those forums. Announcing a plan like this, especially when this poster has defined this community as “infested with … cockroaches,” is further evidence of intent to disrupt.
More evidence that enforcing our rules is what is needed, not, at least in my opinion, rule changes.
Re: Potential Rule Changes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:13 pm
by Res Ipsa
Thanks!
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
by Marcus
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:04 pm
Marcus, that’s the way I am currently leaning. And Mike’s description of how he would use thread starter rights is a good illustration of why I am skeptical of enacting a thread starter rights rule. In Mike’s example of Ajax, if Ajax or anyone else reports the post, we delete the personal attack or move the post. But in his other example, he wants to simply remove any posts he doesn’t like. In other words, he wants to completely censor any opposing viewpoint from threads he starts. Talk about the opposite of free speech.
But I don’t think that problem would be limited to Mike. I’ve seen clear patterns in reports of rule violations and am skeptical that giving OPs thread starter rights would be applied in any kind of fair or objective manner.
We do defer to an OP by looking at the first post, the title, and the OPs other posts in the thread. And I’ve PM’d OPs when the scope of the topic isn’t clear. What we don’t do is permit OPs to limit who can participate in their threads based on who they like and don’t like.
Sounds absolutely reasonable. Reddit had a similar situation recently. A change was made so that when redditors block people, it also blocked those people from responding to any thread they started. Some enterprising trolls took advantage of this by blocking anyone who had a different philosophy or had disagreed with them, and then started controversial threads. In smaller forums this had a censoring effect in direct opposition to forum rules, similar to what you are describing above.
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Here’s how one forum handled it, if you’re interested. )
(Edited to correct the link)
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
by Atlanticmike
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:04 pm
Marcus, that’s the way I am currently leaning. And Mike’s description of how he would use thread starter rights is a good illustration of why I am skeptical of enacting a thread starter rights rule. In Mike’s example of Ajax, if Ajax or anyone else reports the post, we delete the personal attack or move the post. But in his other example, he wants to simply remove any posts he doesn’t like. In other words, he wants to completely censor any opposing viewpoint from threads he starts. Talk about the opposite of free speech.
But I don’t think that problem would be limited to Mike. I’ve seen clear patterns in reports of rule violations and am skeptical that giving OPs thread starter rights would be applied in any kind of fair or objective manner.
We do defer to an OP by looking at the first post, the title, and the OPs other posts in the thread. And I’ve PM’d OPs when the scope of the topic isn’t clear. What we don’t do is permit OPs to limit who can participate in their threads based on who they like and don’t like.
Please give me the thread starter rule. Pretty please. I promise if you give me complete control over my threads I’ll have 10 new members here within a year sharing their positive opinions on how we move forward in life without having to muck through the negative influences of progressivism. I’ll change spirit paradise for the better.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:29 pm
by Dr Exiled
Marcus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:04 pm
Marcus, that’s the way I am currently leaning. And Mike’s description of how he would use thread starter rights is a good illustration of why I am skeptical of enacting a thread starter rights rule. In Mike’s example of Ajax, if Ajax or anyone else reports the post, we delete the personal attack or move the post. But in his other example, he wants to simply remove any posts he doesn’t like. In other words, he wants to completely censor any opposing viewpoint from threads he starts. Talk about the opposite of free speech.
But I don’t think that problem would be limited to Mike. I’ve seen clear patterns in reports of rule violations and am skeptical that giving OPs thread starter rights would be applied in any kind of fair or objective manner.
We do defer to an OP by looking at the first post, the title, and the OPs other posts in the thread. And I’ve PM’d OPs when the scope of the topic isn’t clear. What we don’t do is permit OPs to limit who can participate in their threads based on who they like and don’t like.
Sounds absolutely reasonable. Reddit had a similar situation recently. A change was made so that when redditors block people, it also blocked those people from responding to any thread they started. Some enterprising trolls took advantage of this by blocking anyone who had a different philosophy or had disagreed with them, and then started controversial threads. In smaller forums this had a censoring effect in direct opposition to forum rules, similar to what you are describing above.
(
Here’s how one forum handled it, if you’re interested. )
Plus, it would just become a thread battle where one thread is pitted against another. Seems like a pointless exercise.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:38 pm
by Res Ipsa
Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:04 pm
Marcus, that’s the way I am currently leaning. And Mike’s description of how he would use thread starter rights is a good illustration of why I am skeptical of enacting a thread starter rights rule. In Mike’s example of Ajax, if Ajax or anyone else reports the post, we delete the personal attack or move the post. But in his other example, he wants to simply remove any posts he doesn’t like. In other words, he wants to completely censor any opposing viewpoint from threads he starts. Talk about the opposite of free speech.
But I don’t think that problem would be limited to Mike. I’ve seen clear patterns in reports of rule violations and am skeptical that giving OPs thread starter rights would be applied in any kind of fair or objective manner.
We do defer to an OP by looking at the first post, the title, and the OPs other posts in the thread. And I’ve PM’d OPs when the scope of the topic isn’t clear. What we don’t do is permit OPs to limit who can participate in their threads based on who they like and don’t like.
Please give me the thread starter rule. Pretty please. I promise if you give me complete control over my threads I’ll have 10 new members here within a year sharing their positive opinions on how we move forward in life without having to muck through the negative influences of progressivism. I’ll change spirit paradise for the better.
Give you the ability to censor speech you don’t like? You who has been pretending to support Shades vision of a libertarian utopia? Thanks for giving me an early laugh. I am entertained.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:39 pm
by Res Ipsa
Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:29 pm
Marcus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
Sounds absolutely reasonable. Reddit had a similar situation recently. A change was made so that when redditors block people, it also blocked those people from responding to any thread they started. Some enterprising trolls took advantage of this by blocking anyone who had a different philosophy or had disagreed with them, and then started controversial threads. In smaller forums this had a censoring effect in direct opposition to forum rules, similar to what you are describing above.
(
Here’s how one forum handled it, if you’re interested. )
Plus, it would just become a thread battle where one thread is pitted against another. Seems like a pointless exercise.
It would be just like the odd skirmishes between folks here and on Peterson’s blog. Twice as many threads with little actual engagement.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:48 pm
by Atlanticmike
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:38 pm
Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:19 pm
Please give me the thread starter rule. Pretty please. I promise if you give me complete control over my threads I’ll have 10 new members here within a year sharing their positive opinions on how we move forward in life without having to muck through the negative influences of progressivism. I’ll change spirit paradise for the better.
Give you the ability to censor speech you don’t like? You who has been pretending to support Shades vision of a libertarian utopia? Thanks for giving me an early laugh. I am entertained.
Do you see what I did there. Do you see what I got you to admit to. Man I should’ve been a lawyer.
Re: Rules and Moderator information
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:24 pm
by Res Ipsa
