New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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There seems to be a movement internationally toward more liberalism.

He wants to legalize pot at the federal level?! Wow. Canada is ahead of us in both gay marriage and mary jane. They're already socialist.

They may have beady eyes and floppy heads, but they are socially smarter than we are.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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There's definitely an international movement toward liberalism/socialism. Schmo why don't you move to Canada?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ly-decade/
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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ajax18 wrote:There's definitely an international movement toward liberalism/socialism. Schmo why don't you move to Canada?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ly-decade/


Earth to dumbass.

The United States is, has been, and always will be a "socialist" country. Its just that other countries where the standard of living is much better, are more socialist than we are. The times of our greatest prosperity have been when we embrace those principles instead of poo pooing on them (i.e. when unions were prevalent) via right wing propaganda.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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Lol. Even Canada's Conservative party is to the left of the American Democratic party.

Electing Trudeau isn't a sign of an international movement towards socialism. It was more of a referendum on Harper. The Canadians were tired of his garbage. He's widely despised.

I've also heard/read excellent things about Trudeau's team. The liberals were floundering not just because they effed up so badly with Paul Martin and the sponsorship scandal but because they couldn't find a charismatic leader to save their lives. They've got one now. Although he doesn't have a tenth of the charisma that his father did.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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The United States is, has been, and always will be a "socialist" country.


Rugged individualism, yeah, that always sounded socialist to me. A 7% income tax imposed upon the highest income brackets during the presidency of Woodrow Wilson? The slide into socialism has been gradual.

Its just that other countries where the standard of living is much better, are more socialist than we are.


Like the USSR? Venezuela? The new middle east formerly known as Europe? What are you talking about?

The times of our greatest prosperity have been when we embrace those principles instead of poo pooing on them


Like the last 8 years?

(i.e. when unions were prevalent)


Unions got the worst deal out of Obamacare. I suppose it was poetic justice.

via right wing propaganda.


Right wing news has only existed a couple decades.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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MissTish wrote:Electing Trudeau isn't a sign of an international movement towards socialism. It was more of a referendum on Harper. The Canadians were tired of his garbage. He's widely despised.

Well, I did say a move toward liberalism, not socialism, but I hear what you're saying here. My only data points to make that suggestion was the popularity of Bernie, the election of Jeremy Corbyn, and now Trudeau. Maybe I should have said "populists are gaining more traction these days" but I know nothing about Trudeau's campaign.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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ajax18 wrote:Schmo why don't you move to Canada?

Too cold.

Besides, I'd rather stay here and try to help fix the nation's problems than flee into a cave somewhere... wait, do they have caves in Canada? The Rockies are up there, so I guess they must.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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Some Schmo wrote:
MissTish wrote:Electing Trudeau isn't a sign of an international movement towards socialism. It was more of a referendum on Harper. The Canadians were tired of his garbage. He's widely despised.

Well, I did say a move toward liberalism, not socialism, but I hear what you're saying here. My only data points to make that suggestion was the popularity of Bernie, the election of Jeremy Corbyn, and now Trudeau. Maybe I should have said "populists are gaining more traction these days" but I know nothing about Trudeau's campaign.



I didn't mean your post Schmo. Sorry. I was thinking of Ajax's comment:
"There's definitely an international movement toward liberalism/socialism. Schmo why don't you move to Canada? "

I must use the quote function to make my posts clearer :redface:
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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MissTish wrote:I didn't mean your post Schmo. Sorry. I was thinking of Ajax's comment:
"There's definitely an international movement toward liberalism/socialism. Schmo why don't you move to Canada? "

I must use the quote function to make my posts clearer :redface:

That's totally ok. Your comment was still a valid objection to my original comment.

by the way, are you Canadian? (You obviously don't have to answer that for privacy reasons - I'm just curious.)

I've been to Canada a few times (British Columbia, Alberta, and once to Quebec). It's stunningly beautiful up there.
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Re: New Liberal Prime Minister in Canada

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MissTish wrote:Lol. Even Canada's Conservative party is to the left of the American Democratic party.

Electing Trudeau isn't a sign of an international movement towards socialism. It was more of a referendum on Harper. The Canadians were tired of his garbage. He's widely despised.

I've also heard/read excellent things about Trudeau's team. The liberals were floundering not just because they effed up so badly with Paul Martin and the sponsorship scandal but because they couldn't find a charismatic leader to save their lives. They've got one now. Although he doesn't have a tenth of the charisma that his father did.


Well, I wouldn't go so far as to put the conservatives to the the left of the U.S. Democrats. :wink:

My family comes from Alberta, which is about as conservative as you can get in Canada. I think Miss Tish is right that this election reflects unhappiness with the current government. In its last provincial election, Alberta elected the NDP, which is farther left than the liberals. Again, they were very unhappy with the then current conservative government. However, some of my same relatives that voted NDP in the provincial elections voted conservative in the national elections because they really didn't like Pierre Trudeau. I think that may also represent an east-west divide in Canada.

One thing I love about the Canadian system: they called and held elections in the span of a few weeks. None of this two-year marathon for them.
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