Kevin Graham wrote:...(snip)...so-called "lies" are so few when compared to the Right ...(snip)...
1. KG admits they are lies and then claims they are "so called" lies...is that self incriminating? 2. Though the OP was not by KG, his drinking buddy surely appreciates the goal posts being moved from 'The Right' being liars to "The Left doesn't lie as much".
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Saying something that is technically false, doesn't present proof of "lying." Most human beings who've managed to work their way through elementary school understand this.
Even these fact checkers cannot bring themselves to tag him for "pants on fire" (LYING) statements because it is perfectly plausible or even probable that he simply misspoke in these examples.
Kevin Graham wrote:Saying something that is technically false, doesn't present proof of "lying." ...(snip)...
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Gunnar wrote:I think that suspecting that they are not "enough in touch with reality to enable the to utter the truth" is being too charitable. I think it more likely that they are are in touch with reality, and are deliberately counting on there being enough people with sufficient dislike for that reality to believe their lies and get them elected..
Perhaps. It's likely a little of both. When Trump was talking about vaccines in the second debate, it sure seemed like he believed his own crap. He could have been consciously aware about the 90% tax lie he claimed Bernie was for (Bernie has not published an exact rate). And I also strongly suspect he was aware that whatever the significant rate increase was, it would be for top earners, not he general population.
Here's the thing... it's pretty bad when what you're debating is whether the candidates themselves are aware of their own BS, not that they lied in the first place.
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Gray Ghost wrote:Regardless of your political persuasion, this level of polarization doesn't really help.
I suspect most of the polarization happens in online interactions. My conversations with real people on these topics reveals far more moderate views, for the most part.
But I agree; one of the biggest issues in the country is the polarization from political discourse. Both sides are at fault, but I think we can all objectively agree on who's worse.
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Some Schmo wrote:Chris Christie looked Americans in the eye and baldfaced lied about Social Security. He lied in an ironic attempt to look more honest, by accusing the government of lying. f*****g douche.
Okay, I'll bite. . . what did Chris Christie say?
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