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The CCC wrote:Hilary is better on her worst day than Breitbart is on his best.
EAllusion wrote:There are problems with those accused of sexual assault being assumed guilty in the eyes of the public. College campuses have become a flash point for treating the accused without respect for due process principles. Clinton's tweet doesn't endorse that though. Someone whose public opinions are so thoroughly calculated wouldn't do that. Clinton is talking about the importance of victims, survivors, feeling heard and believed. That is true. This manages to play to the feelings of those who would ignore the rights of the accused while saying something inoffensively true.
Breitbart, as always, can't be more ridiculous in where it goes with it.
Clinton is talking about the importance of victims, survivors, feeling heard and believed.
I'd also add that it is clear Ajax doesn't care at all about the rights of the accused if the accusation is terrorism.
ajax18 wrote:How many accused terrorists lose $1 million in attorneys fees proving their innocence? How many terrorists have been falsely accused and had their reputation tarnished in the media? How many have been expelled from their university and later found not guilty?
EAllusion wrote:ajax18 wrote:How many accused terrorists lose $1 million in attorneys fees proving their innocence? How many terrorists have been falsely accused and had their reputation tarnished in the media? How many have been expelled from their university and later found not guilty?
There are people who paid with their lives for being falsely accused of terrorism ajax. Presumably dead people can't go to a university. I haven't checked on Yale's ghost policy, but I suspect it is strict. There are people who have been falsely accused, had their reputations destroyed in the media, and had their freedoms completely stripped of them with no end in sight due to being falsely accused of being terrorists. You cheered (and presumably continue to cheer) this on. You are aware that a bunch of people held indefinitely at Guantanamo, routinely called the worst of thew worst terrorists no less, were actually innocent, right? But even if you weren't, you definitely are aware that those people did not receive meaningful due process and were treated as if guilty in the eyes of the public. Almost no one there was ever even charged with a crime. That's true at similar sites the US maintains.
Why does it matter? You might say that they are therefore not legally entitled to due process rights. But that's a red herring in this context, because no one's legal due process rights are being violated through campus sexual assault hearings. No one is legally entitled to attend Columbia. This is about you either respecting the principle of the accused having rights (such as not being presumed guilty) or not. So far, you've implied that having to fund your legal defense or switch colleges is a fate worse than indefinite detention and torture in a max security prison. Now we've gone from it being wrong to assume people who are accused of things are guilty to it being wrong to assume Americans, and only Americans, are guilty when accused. Because why?ajax18 wrote:
Were any of these people held at Guantanamo US citizens?
ajax18 wrote:Hilary is better on her worst day than Breitbart is on his best.
So you think sexual assault should be believed without doing a criminal investigation? I know you would apply this to Republicans but would you also strip the right of due process from Democrats like President Clinton or African American athletes as well?
