This is Terrorism: Colorado Springs Shooting

[_Kevin Graham]

This should really be a no-brainer.

Planned Parenthood ties GOP rhetoric to Colo. shooting

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - As he was being led away following a deadly assault on a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, shooting suspect Robert Lewis Dear reportedly told officers: "no more baby parts."

On Sunday, Planned Parenthood said Dear's words matched the "hateful rhetoric" GOP presidential candidates and many conservative leaders have been using since now-discredited, secretly taped videos discussing the procurement of fetal body parts for medical research.

In a press release, Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said: "It is offensive and outrageous that some politicians are now claiming this tragedy has nothing to do with the toxic environment they helped create. Even when the gunman was still inside of our health center, politicians who have long opposed safe and legal abortion were on television pushing their campaign to defund Planned Parenthood and invoking the discredited video smear campaign that reportedly fed this shooter's rage."

Lageuns called out candidates Carly Fiorina, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz specifically, although the organization's message seemed to apply to the wider GOP rallying cry of attempting to close Planned Parenthood as an organization.

"Instead of looking for lessons to prevent this from happening in the future, they're doubling down on their effort to block women from getting preventive health care at Planned Parenthood," Laguens said in a statement.

While his exact motivations haven't been discussed by investigators, Robert Lewis Dear was reclusive, and he seldom spoke to neighbors in a desolate stretch of land in rural Colorado where he lived.

Now, it's his words that are drawing the most attention as police try to discern his motivations for a shooting attack they say he carried out Friday at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs that killed three people, including a police officer.

After his arrest, Dear, 57, said "no more baby parts," according to a law enforcement official, who could not elaborate and spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.

Planned Parenthood cited witnesses as saying the gunman was motivated by his opposition to abortion.

One of the 2016 front-runners, Ben Carson, told "Face the Nation"in an interview he condemned "hateful rhetoric" on both sides, but refused to tie the outbreak of violence in Colorado to anti-abortion rhetoric.

Carson said there's "No question the hateful rhetoric exacerbates the situation" and urged "intelligent, civil discussion" about differences. Asked whether opponents of abortion should tone down their rhetoric, he said both sides should do so.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again Kevin!

This is all on them. Period.

Considering how extremely sad and deeply tragic this horrific murder of innocent human beings was - this is your most unfortunate post so far.

The fact is those people would be alive today if it were not for these idiots

Sorry, I was wrong - This post is even more unfortunate.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_just me]

Well Bach, what would be your response to your own question?

Why are you asking me? Why not first ask those who are all too willing to support the practice?

Me thinks you are a novel journalist at best.

What practice? Are you high? What are you even talking about?

[Alf'Omega]

If it's okay with you, Kevin, I will blame the individual that murdered these innocent people in cold blood for murdering these innocent people in cold blood.

But, please feel free to continue placing blame where you personally see fit.

Hey Ceeboo, ever seen the movie The Accused? If not, check it out, and then think about this condemnation you're chucking around.

Yes, the shooter is directly responsible for the murders, but the right wing rhetoric has a definite part in this, and if you deny that, you're part of the problem.

[_Kevin Graham]

If it's okay with you, Kevin, I will blame the individual that murdered these innocent people in cold blood for murdering these innocent people in cold blood.

But, please feel free to continue placing blame where you personally see fit.

Hey Ceeboo, ever seen the movie The Accused? If not, check it out, and then think about this condemnation you're chucking around.

Yes, the shooter responsible for the murders, but the right wing rhetoric has a definite part in this, and if you deny that, you're part of the problem.

Exactly. And the fact that these folks keep pushing the "mentally ill loner" narrative just furthers the point. Because why would some whacked out person intentionally target this clinic without having been directed there by outside influences? It would be like giving a blind kid a real gun and telling him it is a toy. When he ends up murdering a bunch of people you just say, oh well, it is just the kid's fault for being blind. Just ignore the fact that he was lied to and that was why he did what he did.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Schmo!

If it's okay with you, Kevin, I will blame the individual that murdered these innocent people in cold blood for murdering these innocent people in cold blood.

But, please feel free to continue placing blame where you personally see fit.

Hey Ceeboo, ever seen the movie The Accused? If not, check it out, and then think about this condemnation you're chucking around.

Condemnation that I'm chucking around?

I think that there is a large amount of condemnation being trotted out - but I am not convinced that it is Ceeboo that is doing the condemning.

Yes, the shooter responsible for the murders

Obviously!

but the right wing rhetoric has a definite part in this,

(Bold mine)
Why do you need to follow that with a "but?"

Rhetoric - from all sides - plays a part in a lot of things.

The problem, in my opinion, is when we start traveling down the very dangerous road where we refuse to see a horrific and cold-blooded murderer as a horrific and cold-blooded murder. Instead, we start deflecting and assigning the blame for a despicable and unthinkable tragedy to an alternate set of people.

Once we start down this road (A very dangerous and unfortunate road) we are promoting and encouraging people to no longer call a spade a spade. We are no longer requiring people to be accountable for their abominable deeds. We are no longer insisting that cold-blooded murderers own their cold-blooded murder/murders.

and if you deny that, you're part of the problem.

And I would suggest that some of the people posting in this thread (not named Ceeboo) offer us a fairly good glimpse at the many problems that society, as a whole, faces today.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Some Schmo]

The problem, in my opinion, is when we start traveling down the very dangerous road where we refuse to see a horrific and cold-blooded murderer as a horrific and cold-blooded murder. Instead, we start deflecting and assigning the blame for a despicable and unthinkable tragedy to an alternate set of people.

Once we start down this road (A very dangerous and unfortunate road) we are promoting and encouraging people to no longer call a spade a spade. We are no longer requiring people to be accountable for their abominable deeds. We are no longer insisting that cold-blooded murderers own their cold-blooded murder/murders.

Who said it wasn't coldblooded murder? Who said he wasn't responsible?

It's not a deflection to look at all the circumstances surrounding these murders. Why do you want to isolate this person's actions without looking at the big picture? Are you that in the tank for this GOP BS? Apparently, you want to defend the lies about Planned Parenthood, while I'm calling a spade a spade.

[_Kevin Graham]

Why do you need to follow that with a "but?"

Because it was entirely appropriate to point the qualification. What your problem is with it, I still don't get at all. It is as if you despise the notion that people should be held accountable for their actions. This is really a very simple concept.

When you incite hatred and ignorance via lies and emotional rhetoric, you don't get to walk away with clean hands when your intended audience acts out on the emotions you just triggered. The fact that so many Republicans are ignoring or downplaying the incident while many followers online are justifying this act and applauding him as a hero just goes to show how they really don't see this as a tragedy at all. They're just glad someone else did what they were too cowardly to do themselves.

Yes, you're part of the problem because you seem to be one of those who is just trying to deflect responsibility away from the folks who incited this emotional hysteria in the first place.

[_Ceeboo]

Who said he wasn't responsible?

You should really read the thread, Schmo!

Are you that in the tank for this GOP b***s***?

Bizarre!

Apparently, you want to defend the lies about Planned Parenthood

Bizarre!


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Some Schmo]

Who said he wasn't responsible?

You should really read the thread, Schmo!

Are you that in the tank for this GOP b***s***?

Bizarre!

Apparently, you want to defend the lies about Planned Parenthood

Bizarre!


Peace,
Ceeboo

So, you have nothing. Got it.

Denial is your specialty.