This is Terrorism: Colorado Springs Shooting

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again SS!

So, you have nothing. Got it.

Denial is your specialty.

You still haven't read the thread, eh?

You really should!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Bach]

If any of the victims were being targeted to profit from the sale of their body parts or body tissue would it still be, in your opinion, terrorism?

Well Bach, what would be your response to your own question?

But for the record:

I believe any group or individual who would target bodies, body parts or body tissue with the intent to profit, either directly or indirectly should be classified as a terrorist or terrorism. Whether their intent was to buy a Lamborghini;

(http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyo ... s-n2028198 )

or, to gain economic and/or religious control of a region (ISIS). It's all terrorism.

However I have no doubt had this wacko in Colorado Springs simply beheaded his victims and shouted "ala crockbar " Obama and his band of idiot followers would be first to declare it was "contained", "isolated" or a non event instigated by a "lone racist"!

[_Themis]

The problem, in my opinion, is when we start traveling down the very dangerous road where we refuse to see a horrific and cold-blooded murderer as a horrific and cold-blooded murder. Instead, we start deflecting and assigning the blame for a despicable and unthinkable tragedy to an alternate set of people.

Once we start down this road (A very dangerous and unfortunate road) we are promoting and encouraging people to no longer call a spade a spade. We are no longer requiring people to be accountable for their abominable deeds. We are no longer insisting that cold-blooded murderers own their cold-blooded murder/murders.

No one is suggesting this person should not be held accountable for his actions. Horrible events don't happen in a vacuum. If we don't look for why things happened we are destined to never help to solve these problems. If the environment of hate and lies towards PP had never occurred would this event have happened? Do you understand why this is an important question? It's the same with Islamic terrorism or the terrorism of a kid who killed black people in a church with the desire to start a race war. The beliefs, policies, ideologies we promote have consequences. Looking at causes is not saying a person's horrible acts are justified.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again Kevin!

After this post, I am going to try and resist the temptation of engaging you on this particular topic any further.

So, should you choose to reply, I give you the last word.

Yes, you're part of the problem because you seem to be one of those who is just trying to deflect responsibility

The irony in that is mind-bending.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Themis!

No one is suggesting this person should not be held accountable for his actions.

You seem to have the same reading challenges as Schmo.

No one is suggesting that this person should not be held accountable for his actions?

Really?

Well, what's your personal take on a few quotes that were made by the only person in this thread (until SS recently) that I was engaging?

"The idiots in the Right Wind media propagating these lies and myths about Planned Parenthood are to blame for this."

"This is all on them. Period."

"The fact is those people would be alive today if it were not for these idiots."

No one?
Are you sure?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Jersey Girl]

More local color...reading the current exchanges here is a challenge I didn't expect to be confronted with. Not because the exchanges are taking place (like they always do) but because I'm seeing them from a different perspective and the rhetoric pales in comparison to the impact of the event on the community.

On this thread, I did what I never do on this board. I disclosed (via my comments) that my comments were based on local news reports, because I'm local. I do not live in Colorado Springs proper, if you will, I live in what is called an outlying area out in the sticks.

Earlier in the thread, EA challenged my remarks asking me what made me think I had insider information. Although I never claimed to have insider information (I said it was local) here's why.

The reason I knew about the play by play was because I was watching the local news coming across my screen. I was monitoring it because while these events were taking place, I had loved ones down the other end of the same street who voluntarily locked down their location. One of them had a conversation with a SWAT team member who supplied a bit of information. Given the fact that our family had been impacted by gun violence previously, this situation hit a little too close to home--literally and figuratively. I was glued to the computer for over 4 hours on Friday.

The community is reeling after this event. We have lost two fathers and a mother. A police officer, a veteran, and a good woman. Yesterday's lockdown of two main hospitals only adds to the outrage, shock and paranoia. Just for the record, I don't feel outraged or in shock. A little paranoia though in the sense that I feel a bit reluctant to leave the homestead right now.

So anyway, I guess what I want to say is that the rhetoric is a useless waste of time in that it solves nothing. Not that I think the exchanges are about solutions.

From almost the very beginning of the shooting, the press has cherry picked information in order to tie the motive to political reasons which may or may not have anything to do with the shooter's intentions. Even his remarks about "baby parts" were cherry picked out of hours long questioning. So who knows? The recordings I referred to earlier that were aired on local television, indicate that the shooting started in the grocery store parking lot. There's a good bit of distance between the grocery store and the PP building, with the bank in between. Again, who knows?

This much I do know. The guy, once inside the PP building, didn't shoot any staff members or patients. The injured and the dead, were all outside of the building. So if he had a case of the ass over "baby parts" and PP, I don't really see that expressed in his behavior.

We'll know more when it goes to trial and this is one I'll follow and report back on.

[_Themis]

Hi Themis!

No one is suggesting this person should not be held accountable for his actions.

You seem to have the same reading challenges as Schmo.

No one is suggesting that this person should not be held accountable for his actions?

Really?

Well, what's your personal take on a few quotes that were made by the only person in this thread (until SS recently) that I was engaging?

"The idiots in the Right Wind media propagating these lies and myths about Planned Parenthood are to blame for this."

"This is all on them. Period."

"The fact is those people would be alive today if it were not for these idiots."

No one?
Are you sure?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Perhaps you could show where they said this person should not be held accountable? Now do you think we shouldn't look at the whys of this tragedy?

[_subgenius]

Perhaps you could show where they said this person should not be held accountable? Now do you think we shouldn't look at the whys of this tragedy?

two part follow up:
1. So, if we hold that person accountable - why does motive matter? since the concession by the OP and title of this thread is that it was "terrorism".

2. Given the obvious mental illness circumstance(s) of the alleged attacker, why are you discussing every other cursory topic?

[_Kevin Graham]

No one is suggesting that this person should not be held accountable for his actions?

Really?

Ceeboo, you still haven't even begun to explain why a "mentally ill" person should be or how he could be "held accountable" for his actions. He's "mentally ill," remember? And as a mentally ill person, he cannot be deemed evil or whatever. He has no real control over his actions when he becomes emotionally unhinged. So, the real question is why did he become emotionally unhinged in the first place? The answer should be obvious. The Right Wing thrives of making people emotionally unhinged.

The fact is you're bending over backwards trying to give the anti-Planned Parenthood cult a free pass when it is painfully clear that their rhetoric is what caused this.

[_Ceeboo]

Ceeboo, you still haven't even begun to explain why a "mentally ill" person should be or how he could be "held accountable" for his actions. He's "mentally ill," remember? And as a mentally ill person, he cannot be deemed evil or whatever. He has no real control over his actions when he becomes emotionally unhinged. So, the real question is why did he become emotionally unhinged in the first place? The answer should be obvious. The Right Wing thrives of making people emotionally unhinged.

The fact is you're bending over backwards trying to give the anti-Planned Parenthood cult a free pass when it is painfully clear that their rhetoric is what caused this.

As promised, you have the last word, Kevin.

Peace,
Ceeboo