Consideration

[_I have a question]

Hey Jersey Girl!

Kevin, do you think it's possible that any of our board members might be tied to the CA shootings in some way in terms of having family in the area or whatever, and if so, do you allow for the possibility that Ceeboo simply wanted to tell you off one:one outside of the existing thread to avoid disrupting the thoughts and emotions of posters or lurkers here who might be going through a tough/tense time on account of the CA shootings?

Yes - without question, this is one of the reasons that I decided to address Kevin in a separate thread.

In addition, I did not want to engage Kevin in the middle of much more serious conversations that were taking place on a very real time line. I am convinced that Kevin has no concept of appropriate timing or when it is - or is not - proper to make his political points. Clearly, there is a time for politics.
But when tremendous amounts of gunfire is ringing through the streets of neighborhoods - filled with innocent people that are horrified - and numerous dead bodies are laying in blood that is still warm - this is not the time for politics! Not the time!

And, my decision to address Kevin outside of these other serious threads was not just for those who may be tied to this particular awful tragedy, it was out of respect for all people, everywhere, who have been impacted by these types of horrific experiences.

Anyway, I am fairly certain that Kevin will have no concept of what I am talking about and/or why I feel it was necessary that I reply to him in a separate thread. Just another one of his blind spots - on a long list of blind spots.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Perhaps you will allow me to gently point out the 'PM' feature of the board which affords posters the privacy of one:one conversations. An open thread like this isn't one:one and merely serves to exacerbate the problems you suggest you are trying to avoid.
*my one and only post in this thread and posted out of the respect I have for both you and Kevin.

[_Ceeboo]

Hello IHAQ!

Perhaps you will allow me to gently point out the 'PM' feature of the board which affords posters the privacy of one:one conversations. An open thread like this isn't one:one and merely serves to exacerbate the problems you suggest you are trying to avoid.

If not for the several posts that Kevin made - directed at me in other threads - the PM would have been a viable option. But in this case, a PM would have left the many tirades that he posted at me, unanswered. And I felt, for several reasons, that they needed a reply.

*my one and only post in this thread and posted out of the respect I have for both you and Kevin.

I am convinced of your good intentions and I have exactly no problem with you posting this.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_RockSlider]

Wow, a slap down by our own face licking cow. One might have wondered over the years what it would take, now we know.

[_subgenius]

Out of respect for the loved ones who might be tied to the recent tragedy that is unfolding in California - and because I have class - I have decided to post this here - rather than addressing your preposterous posts directed at me in the other threads.

Yes, because star...(snip)..

Let me interrupt you right there with

[_Kevin Graham]

many tirades that he posted at me

Yes, "many tirades", right? Again, you're the one who has gone off on me twice and now starting a new thread to devote everyone's full attention to your focused outrage. I take a second to defend myself against your self-serving rhetoric and false accusation, and then suddenly you're the victim of receiving "many tirades"?

Grab a dictionary while you're up there on that high horse feeling so proud of yourself. The only reason you keep backing out of these altercations, which you initiate, is because you have absolutely nothing beyond, "I don't like you" written in various colorful ways. The fact that you've had to resort to lying about what I've actually said is indicative of someone who has no real argument.

This all started because you were upset that I would have the audacity to call out Right Wingers who have consistently propagated lies and myths about Planned Parenthood and hold them accountable when their fear-mongering results in the deaths of innocent lives. Yes, they are directly responsible and I won't apologize for saying it.

You're calling me all sorts of names for this probably because you're one of those people who agrees with the anti-Planned Parenthood idiots and you don't like facing the hard truths about your political positions and definitely don't want to come to grips with the fact that you have some truly despicable human beings on your side. That's fine. Keep living in denial, I really don't give a crap.

[_Kevin Graham]

Kevin,

Out of respect for the loved ones who might be tied to the recent tragedy that is unfolding in California - and because I have class - I have decided to post this here - rather than addressing your preposterous posts directed at me in the other threads.

I would be hard pressed to think of anyone that I have engaged , on any discussion board, anywhere, that would be as offensive, abusive, and/or as completely unbalanced as you are.

You have a severe lack of sensitivity in dealing with other human beings - especially so when it involves very difficult issues. Plainly stated, you have no tact, Kevin. None!

In addition, you have no clue what boundaries are - nor do you understand how often you blatantly and grossly cross them - and you cross them by miles!

In addition, I find your wild accusations - specifically directed at individuals on this board - to be way beyond inappropriate - I find them to be downright cruel! For you to assign blame to individual human beings for things as horrific as cold-blooded murder is not just irresponsible - it's way worse. It's revolting! It's despicable! It's repulsive!

In addition, you have no self-control. You are unable to express yourself in a respectful manner. You lack composure. You have extremely poor judgement.

Simply put - You're out of control, Kevin.

Sincerely,
Ceeboo

tirade -
a prolonged outburst of bitter, outspoken denunciation:


Yes, that's around a dozen direct insults and a few others - based on a false premise (i.e. a lie) that i called anyone here a murderer- from Ceeboo the innocent "non-confrontational" victim of my many tirades!

[_ldsfaqs]

Mooooooo......

[_Some Schmo]

This all started because you were upset that I would have the audacity to call out Right Wingers who have consistently propagated lies and myths about Planned Parenthood and hold them accountable when their fear-mongering results in the deaths of innocent lives. Yes, they are directly responsible and I won't apologize for saying it.

Kevin, obviously I agree with the spirit of what you're saying here (I brought it up in the first place), but don't you think it's an overreach to claim the people with the rhetoric are "directly responsible?" I would agree if the statement was "they played a large role and are indirectly responsible." To be directly responsible, they'd have to be pulling the trigger.

I mean, don't you think? It diminishes the argument, in my opinion, to give the GOP BS too much credit.

[_Jersey Girl]

Kevin, do you think it's possible that any of our board members might be tied to the CA shootings in some way in terms of having family in the area or whatever, and if so, do you allow for the possibility that Ceeboo simply wanted to tell you off one:one outside of the existing thread to avoid disrupting the thoughts and emotions of posters or lurkers here who might be going through a tough/tense time on account of the CA shootings?

What, does he have me on ignore or something? Like that's going to stop me from saying anything.

Kev,

Ceeboo didn't start any "hostilities" with you. He simply disagreed with your take that the ultimate responsibility for the shootings in Colorado Springs rested with the Right Wing nutters and their crap about PP. Ceeboo basically said that the responsibility rested with the shooter himself.

I agree.

The shooter may have been influenced by the rhetoric of the Right Wing nutters, however the choice to bring a weapon down into town and start shooting the place up was HIS. And, that's basically what Ceeboo was saying to you.

And you can't let it go.

It's your response that was hostile, not Ceeboo's first comments to you about it.

On this thread, see my above post there, you might think he's grand standing but I think he chose to separate these exchanges out of the existing thread about San Bernadino in case there was anyone on the board who might be involved or connected to it in some way so it didn't create a derail on those threads such as the one that I created.

He was right about that. There was at least one poster on that thread who disclosed that their son is LE and directly involved.

You're so busy trying to get back at the guy that you're not noticing what's going on around you. You went right into heat seeking missile mode (I know it when I see it because I do it myself) and you targeted Ceeboo.

Because you don't like people telling you that you are wrong.

Simple as that.

[_Kevin Graham]

This all started because you were upset that I would have the audacity to call out Right Wingers who have consistently propagated lies and myths about Planned Parenthood and hold them accountable when their fear-mongering results in the deaths of innocent lives. Yes, they are directly responsible and I won't apologize for saying it.

Kevin, obviously I agree with the spirit of what you're saying here (I brought it up in the first place), but don't you think it's an overreach to claim the people with the rhetoric are "directly responsible?" I would agree if the statement was "they played a large role and are indirectly responsible." To be directly responsible, they'd have to be pulling the trigger.

I mean, don't you think? It diminishes the argument, in my opinion, to give the GOP b***s*** too much credit.

Good point, and I have no problem rewording it like that. Ceeboo wasn't interested in discussing it in a cordial manner as you are now, but instead chose to offer indignant quips.

In any event, when I think of someone of something being "directly" responsible, I think of it in terms of, this never would have happened without their involvement. If I could see it happening any other way without their involvement, that would be one thing. But it should be perfectly clear that the killer was driven by Right Wing propaganda that had been filling the airwaves and GOP campaign rhetoric for weeks. Saying the Right Wing media and their preachers of hate are just "indirectly" responsible isn't really making the point I wanted to make, because technically there are a lot of things "indirectly" responsible, and that just minimizes the responsibility that I think they should accept for their lies.

And the basis for his attacks were in fact lies, which makes them even more culpable in my opinion. I mean it wasn't like they were telling an uncomfortable truth and some whacko decided to kill someone over it. They flat out made crap up.