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Re: Kevin Graham

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Yes, because starting a new thread is showing so much respect for those tied to the recent shootings, right? Who do you think you are for crying out loud? No one in San Bernadino gives a flying f*** what you say, let alone whether you say it in a new thread or as in-line response to existing threads. This is just your way of drawing attention to yourself, grandstanding again.


Yeah, let me reply to this more directly. You say," No one in San Bernadino gives a flying f*** what you say, let alone whether you say it in a new thread or as in-line response to existing threads."

You're wrong. It's a true possibility. I'm sure you didn't read my comments on the Colorado Springs shooting thread.

On that thread, I objected to Bach (?) mentioning the sale of body parts. Later in the thread, I revealed that I was local and had loved ones in the area. Knowing that my loved ones were right down the street as we were discussing the events taking place and someone mentioning body parts really bothered me at the time.

I think that Ceeboo considered that prospect in regard to the SB shootings when he chose to yank this issue out of the existing thread.
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Re: Kevin Graham

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Oh and Kevin,

Don't worry about replying to my new posts on this thread. I know you have your hands full in the current dick measuring contest you're having. I wouldn't want to put you on overload or anything.
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Re: Kevin Graham

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Hello Jersey Girl! :smile:

Jersey Girl wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Kevin, do you think it's possible that any of our board members might be tied to the CA shootings in some way in terms of having family in the area or whatever, and if so, do you allow for the possibility that Ceeboo simply wanted to tell you off one:one outside of the existing thread to avoid disrupting the thoughts and emotions of posters or lurkers here who might be going through a tough/tense time on account of the CA shootings?


Kev,

Ceeboo didn't start any "hostilities" with you. He simply disagreed with your take that the ultimate responsibility for the shootings in Colorado Springs rested with the Right Wing nutters and their crap about PP.


This would be entirely correct!

Ceeboo basically said that the responsibility rested with the shooter himself.


This would also be entirely correct!

The shooter may have been influenced by the rhetoric of the Right Wing nutters, however the choice to bring a weapon down into town and start shooting the place up was HIS. And, that's basically what Ceeboo was saying to you.


This would also be entirely correct!

And you can't let it go.


This is obviously correct!

It's your response that was hostile, not Ceeboo's first comments to you about it.


This would also be entirely correct!

On this thread, see my above post there, you might think he's grand standing but I think he chose to separate these exchanges out of the existing thread about San Bernadino in case there was anyone on the board who might be involved or connected to it in some way so it didn't create a derail on those threads such as the one that I created.


This would also be entirely correct! (I was also was trying to exhibit some basic respect and class too)

He was right about that. There was at least one poster on that thread who disclosed that their son is LE and directly involved.


Correct again!

You're so busy trying to get back at the guy that you're not noticing what's going on around you.


This would also be entirely correct!

You went right into heat seeking missile mode (I know it when I see it because I do it myself) and you targeted Ceeboo.


This would also be entirely correct!

Because you don't like people telling you that you are wrong.


This is obviously correct!

Simple as that.


This would also be entirely correct!


I think you just scored 100% Jersey Girl
Color me impressed!

Peace,
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Re: Kevin Graham

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just me wrote:Did ldsfaqs seriously just make this thread about him? *boggle*


I know it's inappropriate to hijack a thread like this...but your avatar looks absolutely stunning these days, just me! Have you done something to your hair?

And yes, ldsfaqs is the Al Franken of the 21st Century.
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Re: Kevin Graham

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What, does he have me on ignore or something? Like that's going to stop me from saying anything.


No I just didn't see your post. Or maybe I was just trying to let this stupid crap die out? Funny how you keep pounding me with questions in a thread you say I cannot let go.

Ceeboo didn't start any "hostilities" with you.


Yes he did. His first post he deleted because it was full of so much bile. But I responded before he could delete it. Maybe you should try to pay closer attention, because it helps knowing what the Screw you're talking about.

He simply disagreed with your take that the ultimate responsibility for the shootings in Colorado Springs rested with the Right Wing nutters and their crap about PP. Ceeboo basically said that the responsibility rested with the shooter himself.


Yes, that was on Monday, and after condescendingly giving me his permission for me to hold my views as I see fit, he continued to belittle me for doing so because it was so "unfortunate," as if his was a morally superior position. But back to yesterday, he engaged me first as the record shows, and he flat out misrepresented what I said to get people riled up against me. When I explained why I said what I said, his response was just: "you're an idiot." As far as I was concerned the matter was dropped.

Two and a half hours later he dedicated an entire thread that consisted of nothing more than a dozen different reasons why he thinks I'm the shittiest person he's ever met, as if I give a rat's ass if he likes me. You're clearly friends with him and are taking a biased defense which is typical of you, but his excuse for starting a new thread doesn't hold water because it rests on the assumption that he needs to "address" things I said in my so-called "many tirades."

Ceeboo said, and I quote:

the PM would have been a viable option. But in this case, a PM would have left the many tirades that he posted at me, unanswered. And I felt, for several reasons, that they needed a reply.


Well, there weren't any tirades, and even if there were, he addressed nothing. All he did was go off on a long-winded, righteously indignant rant explaining to the world all the many ways he despises me as a person. This leaves us with the only other explanation as to why he started the thread.

And keep in mind that I am the only one here not hiding behind a pseudonym, so if anyone has any motive to "set the record straight" when being publicly vilified, it is I, not some cow-licking holier-than-thou stranger who thinks he is impressing people with his self-righteous quips.

As to the issue at hand, I think his take is essentially what FOX News loves to say every time Obama stands up and condemns these tragedies. He and FOX always say the same stupid crap: "This is not the time to be political."

The “F” it isn't! This is precisely the time to be political, because after a week or so has passed everyone forgets the tragedy and then we're back to the same NRA driven mantra that dominates the discussions. He said that in this thread, that I was wrong to bring up politics in such a difficult time, as if that were evidence that he cares so so much about the victims and the families when in reality it is just an attempt to deflect culpability away from his political agendas.

The reason we need to raise the issue of reforming our culture of guns in a time of tragedy is because it is the only time Republicans come close to acting sane on the matter. I saw this with Megan Kelly last night. I was impressed because she showed signs of giving in to reason when she said, in the heat of the moment, that no matter where you stand on gun rights, it should be safe to say ALL AMERICANS ARE SICK OF THESE KILLINGS. What made her comment important is that it was the first time a FOX News host broke away from the usual narrative and began to solicit ideas for solutions. Of course her guests offered no solutions but instead started attacking the left. Ceeboo reminds me of every Republican dead-head who says this crap as a programmed response. Because we're only supposed to get emotional and politicize things like abortion. He's cool with that!

But why am I even trying to have a discussion about the issues in this thread? I've confused you two with people who actually give a damn. Ceeboo hasn't even made a half-hearted attempt to address the issue. He just wants to make sure no one tries to point out where this hateful rhetoric began, because he doesn't want to accept the hard truths about the despicable political world he lives in. I'll close by noting that Ceeboo is a whiner who cannot even fight his own battles or even try to win his own arguments. He needs you to fight on his behalf, maybe because you have the biggest dick of all.
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Re: Kevin Graham

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Kevin Graham wrote:Good point, and I have no problem rewording it like that. Ceeboo wasn't interested in discussing it in a cordial manner as you are now, but instead chose to offer indignant quips.

In any event, when I think of someone of something being "directly" responsible, I think of it in terms of, this never would have happened without their involvement.

OK, from that perspective, I get what you're saying, and my gut tells me part of Ceeboo's issue here is a different semantic interpretation of your comments. It doesn't excuse his refusal to acknowledge the part played by the PP nonsense we've been hearing so much about lately, but I'm guessing that's the source of his issue with you in relation to this specific situation, although who knows except Ceeboo?

I was only clearing that up for my benefit, not necessarily his (or hers - it occurs to me I don't know which).
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Re: Kevin Graham

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Kevin Graham wrote:. I'll close by noting that Ceeboo is a whiner who cannot even fight his own battles or even try to win his own arguments. He needs you to fight on his behalf,


Is that what you've said to the other posters who've commented on this thread or just me? That I disagree with how you received Ceeboo's comments doesn't equal me fighting his battle for him. It simply means that I say what I think on this board.

maybe because you have the biggest dick of all.


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Re: Kevin Graham

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Kevin Graham wrote:
JerseyGirl wrote:Ceeboo didn't start any "hostilities" with you.


Yes he did. His first post he deleted because it was full of so much bile. But I responded before he could delete it. Maybe you should try to pay closer attention, because it helps knowing what the f*** you're talking about.


In addition to the laundry list of your personal shortcomings that you have displayed on the MDB, I am confident that I can now add deceiver to your list.

The first post that I deleted - you know the exact same one that you blatantly lie about above - saying it was "full of so much bile."

The exact quote that I deleted was as follows in blue:

"Really Kevin?"

"Freaking really?"


That was it - all of it!

And here is where you have a rather big problem, Kevin.

"Just Me" followed that post - right below it - she said "for what it's worth, I agree with you Ceeboo."

So, she read it - thus she knows exactly what I posted before I deleted it.

So who needs to pay attention?
And who needs to know what their talking about?

You're unbalanced and you're completely out of control, Kevin.
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