just me wrote:ldsfaqs wrote:As I said like twice at least, if people aren't taking from and then giving from others, it's not Socialism/Communism.
Except that the people who cannot work will still be supported by the people who do work under your system.
The only "changes" would be:
- how the montary system works.
You're just renaming the currency to "credits." People still earn their credits through labor. And somehow you have the credit distribution coming from the government rather than the businesses.
- people would have to work.
Kinda like they do now? How would your life be different under your system? What would your job be?
What kind of organization would be implemented to check the abilities of citizens and put them into jobs?
Under your system can people retire? Can they amass a fortune? Can there be stay-at-home parents?
- various businesses would have more employees thus everyone who works more than they should in a balanced way wouldn't have to anymore, they would work standard hours instead of abused by the "Salary" system.
Are you saying that our current labor laws are inadequate? What if someone wants to work 50-60 hours a week to make more credits?
That's basically it, save some little things and whatever. Oh, and Healthcare guess what would be "Universal", but instead of taking to provide for it, it just exists for everyone.
It just exists? You mean that the labor that everyone provides will create the credits possible to compensate the doctors, nurses, etc, etc?
That's not socialism/communism people.
Your "ideal" doesn't work because you're not trying to do this, you're trying to take and then give, a.k.a. "spread the wealth".
So, in your system, the government holds all of the "credits" and disperses them in a way that spreads the wealth around. That's essentially what happens now, you just see those credits taken in the form of taxes.
1. Do you even know how few people there are that "actually 'can't' do anything" very few compared to the amount of people out there not working, on welfare, etc.?
Take me for example.... Me, I couldn't get a real job given my health of late, but if it was required that I work, there are plenty of businesses that could easily use me for a couple hours a day according to the amount I'm able to physically work, such as a computer job, similar. Like I'm doing now. I can function enough to at least do things on the computer a lot through the day, so being a capable skilled person, businesses would be required to be more open and allow me to work as I'm able.
What you're forgeting is that "credits" aren't taken from anyone to support someone who really can't work at all.
The "labor" of the entire society pays for his care, NOT "money" from the society, i.e. taking from the rich to pay for the poor.
The tiny labor the crop producer contributed to that persons care, the house builder, on and on. Labor and the goods produced is the real "spreading of wealth" without actually hurting anyone.
Under actual socialism or communism, wealth is "taken" from others, as if there is a "limited pie" rather then wealth created, thus it's entirely self destructive. There is a reason why Freedom and Capitalism is the only system in history that actually works the best at spreading the wealth around. No socialist/communist country EVER has been able to do as well as Capitalism and Freedom, and less government.
2. The only reason it goes through the government is so it can all be tracked and centralized a.k.a. like the "Federation". They give the "legality" of the "Credit".
It isn't really that much different from what's currently done. Businesses report their employment and earners and the government does it's junk.
That reminds me of something else.... there are no longer "taxes" personally or business wise. Everyone is producing in some form and since credit isn't "actual" money, there is no actual need for taxes.
3. Yes.... but better. Me, like I mentioned above, I could still work to a degree as my health allowed, thus I would be a producer instead of a moocher.
But the current business system and laws make it so even those in difficulty or health issues have to "compete", yet they can't compete. So, businesses would be required to be open to hire extra people as needed and as able. Like, say a call center were to open up more positions in order to provide work for those like me. They are busy, thus can open several positions up. This would cause me to work, as well reduce the load for others so they can also enjoy their job more, as well as improve themselves in other ways as they have interest, and/or contribute to improving the business, society, etc. Say for example it opened more time for a business to do more "service" in some form. Seriously, I see how all this works, every connection in my mind.
The system can be run in that aspect mostly by businesses themselves. A simple few laws put into place, and businesses simply hire and otherwise as normal, then they allow a certain amount of extra positions. Government and employment agency's can still work similar.... if someones in need of particular work, qualified in whatever ways, they find company's who can take that person, creating a position if necessary. In other words, there would not need to be much different with government itself, though some agency's would be eliminted because they are no longer needed.
Yes, people can retire..... Yes, like I've said, people will be paid in credits similar to how they currently are for the skill set, type of work, responsibility, etc. So yes, people can still get wealthy in the sense that if they want more, then they can get more. The only difference would be that everyone at the lower scale will have all their needs met because the credits they recieve will be according to what things cost credit wise. Basically, you'll have a type of "Bank Card" and according to your production you will get credits into the account. There will be a certain level that local governments designate according to what things cost, being similar to the welfare system and calculations, but it would be streamlined into a lump sum, so all a persons bills and basic needs would be paid. So, that's like the base level a business would pay in credits for those at the low end.
Yes, there can be stay at home parents, because the credit scale can be abjusted if one has children. And of course, if one has worked or is rich in credits, then of course they can stay home until their credits run out etc. Remember, the system works on "producing"..... if you are a producer then you get credits. Credits can buy businesses, etc. etc. Everything almost entirely works as it currently does, that way there is "insentive" still. When people don't have incentive, society's fail. There is no such thing as people being "self motivated" if they have nothing to push them. Some do sure..... but most people are in fact lazy and won't produce anything if they aren't required to work or do something that creates.
4. Yes, there are still things that can be improved with society, such as labor law. I think it's wrong for example for a person to get a Salary and then be forced to work 60-80 hour weeks, especially if it's a lower end Salary. I understand that a business has needs, but if your working more than 50 hours a week on a salary for more than 30 days in a year, then your pay should go up if you choose to keep doing it, or not be required to if you don't want to. Of course, under my system you can choose to work as much as you want if you want more credits. Like, say you make enough credits to live comfortable, but you want to eventually start a business, you can work more and make more credits. One thing that would be different in my system also with that is that if there is a business needed, such as a factory, another construction crew etc. in order to meet a particular demand for services and/or resources, then like "job boards" there can be "business boards" where people qualified can start a new business, and that would work with the Government or otherwise Employment Agency's similar to how jobs work, but needed new businesses would be added also, instead of it just being "Jobs" only.
5. Yes.... but remember.... "credits" don't actually "exist". Yes, production will produce credits, but similar to the Federal Reserve and the huge debt liberals have been creating in government, if more credits are needed, the government simply creates them. The difference between current and my system, the credits aren't actually "tied" to anything. People simply work at their level, that level is reported to the government, and the government issues the credits for that work/production level. There is no such thing as "dept" when it concerns the government, unless it's with other country's in which the government "barters" goods and services with. And there is no such thing as debt in relation to credits as well as personal debt unless someone is buying a business, etc.. Otherwise, all production and credits simply remain in the system. All people have to do is work, and according to their credit pay scale, that's what they get. So, there is no "finite" credits to pay people, etc. People just work, and then they are compensated. Even the homeless guy is required to work, which is a part of my other system of resolving the homeless and other ill's of society, which I won't get into here.
6. Like I said above, there are no "taxes"..... again, there no "take" and spread the wealth. The government simply issues credits according to ones pay scale. Period.
There is no "taxing" businesses, no taxing the rich, etc. because there is no longer "money" that's tied to "goods". Money, a.k.a. Credits becomes tied to "production". There is simply a set scale at every level similar to current pay scales, the government simply provides the credits.
No, the government is not "holding" credits.... It simply issues them. So, it's not "spreading the wealth" at all. Wealth is instead spread and created by individual labor and production. You are the master of your destiny. Nobody takes from you or gives to you, accept in relation to goods and services.
