Donald ('I love the Muslims') Trump: Ban Muslims

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

YOu all talk about so-called "reasonable gun control" laws..... Good lord.... why don't you feel the same about people, which is who use guns to harm? Guns don't harm, people do..

If no non human factor (ie drugs, bombs, whatever) hurt people then why have any law outlawing anything?

No one thinks guns are autonomous things that choose to kill people.

I am sick of people asking obtuse questions and making irrelevant points in an attempt to sound intelligent.

[_MeDotOrg]

1. Strawman alert.... Like I said, he wasn't "banning" Muslims from coming over, just to stop the process until the Government can get his ass in hand.

ldsfaqs, 'stopping the process' is banning. The meaning of ban is to officially or legally prohibit. If a man cannot board an airplane to return to his native country, he is banned from returning home.

There would be pictures of American Muslims stranded in foreign airports. The headlines above those photos will not say Muslims stopped in the process of returning to the United States. The headlines will correctly and succinctly say BANNED.

Now perhaps the Donald is so brave, so brilliant, so strong and such a fearsome leader that he will either solve the entire Muslim dilemma in less than a week or perhaps that the rest of the world will tremble and fall meekly at his feet, but I doubt it.

So the scenario in my previous post, where tearful conversations between the man and his family are flashed around the world is totally possible, unless you think the Trump's Muslim ban will last less than a week.

And if Donald Trump ever institutes this policy, and his lawyers appear in court to defend their actions, how will his lawyers explain how the man in question was given due process? How do they legally justify the suspension of this man's rights as an American citizen?

And ldsfaqs, I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump has about ZERO support from his fellow Republicans on this.

But one thing I have to admit: I've thought Trump has gone beyond the pale time and time again, but the American people keep kicking that darned pale further and further down the road.[/quote]

[_ludwigm]

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[_MeDotOrg]

I don't know what is with the liberals obsession with "allowing" a certain amount of "harm" to come to the American people, the country's economy, stability, etc. in the name of "equality" and "saving the world".

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

I can see someone saying "I would rather turn away 10,000 desperate [INSERT NATIONALITY HERE] refugees than to possibly threaten the life of a single American Citizen", but it sure as crap wouldn't be Jesus, unless you think Jesus was an American conservative.

Is there a risk in taking Syrian refugees? Yes. Is there a risk NOT taking in Syrian refugees? Yes. Does it sometimes cost lives to stand by principles like equal justice for all, freedom of religion, due process of law, and beyond a reasonable doubt?

Yes, that's what 'willing to sacrifice for a principle' means.

[_MeDotOrg]

If you close your eyes while listening to presidential hopeful Donald Trump, you can see and smell that neighbor you have with too many dogs and a drinking problem.

Your Drunk Neighbor: Donald Trump (Really - check this out!)

[_ldsfaqs]

Wow..... You're equating standard border laws, where controling and restricting access is SUPPOSED to occur as somehow "infringing upon liberty".
And liberals never cease in their stupidity.

If you were so concerned with "liberty"..... then stop being a liberal where fascism is your base ideology, ban guns, ban the right to defend oneself, ban big gulps, ban a particular good popcorn butter, cooking oil, taking peoples hard earned work and giving it to others to buy votes and consolidate power is not liberty, etc.. etc.

Base "Law" and "Rules" of functional society such as criminal law, borders, Stop Signs, etc. is not "facism" and is not somehow "infringing on liberty".
So facinating how liberals "reverse" truth and right into the opposite of what truth and right is.....

[_MeDotOrg]

Wow..... You're equating standard border laws, where controling and restricting access is SUPPOSED to occur as somehow "infringing upon liberty".
And liberals never cease in their stupidity.

If you were so concerned with "liberty"..... then stop being a liberal where fascism is your base ideology, ban guns, ban the right to defend oneself, ban big gulps, ban a particular good popcorn butter, cooking oil, taking peoples hard earned work and giving it to others to buy votes and consolidate power is not liberty, etc.. etc.

Base "Law" and "Rules" of functional society such as criminal law, borders, Stop Signs, etc. is not "facism" and is not somehow "infringing on liberty".
So facinating how liberals "reverse" truth and right into the opposite of what truth and right is.....

Standard border laws allow American Citizens to return to their country, ldsfaqs. That's not what Trump is proposing. And refugees? Here's what Syrian refugees have to go through NOW:

1. Apply through the United Nations High Commission of Refugees, which collects documents and performs interviews. Less than 1 percent of refugees worldwide end up being recommended for resettlement.
2. Begin the State Department to begin the vetting process, where you’ll be put through security screenings by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security
3. Since you’re a Syrian refugee, you’ll get an additional layer of screening called the Syria Enhanced Review, which may include a further check by a special part of Homeland Security—the USCIS [United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] fraud detection and national security directorate.
4. Then, you finally get an interview with USCIS officers
5. you’ll also be fingerprinted so your prints can be run through the biometric databases of the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense.
6. And, if you make it through all that, you’ll also have health screenings. If everything comes back clear, you’ll be enrolled in cultural orientation classes—all while your information continues to be checked recurrently against terrorist databases to make sure that no new information comes in that wasn’t caught before.

This process typically takes 18 to 24 months once you’ve been referred to the UN by the United States. So this isn't exactly swinging the gate wide open for anyone.

I don't think your ancestors had to go through anything like that to get to this country. I know mine didn't.

ldsfaqs, I raise the prospect of an American citizen not being allowed to return to this country because of his religion is not being a good thing, and that makes me the fascist. Got it.

But when you start basing your argument tangentially on the moral equivalency of restricting the size of soda cups as opposed to freedom of religion, maybe you could write a poem:

First they game for the big gulps,
and I said nothing because I wasn't a big gulp
Then they came for the popcorn oil,
and I said nothing because I didn't eat popcorn...

[_Doctor Steuss]

I'd just like to point out that her fear is exactly what ISIS and Al Qaeda want to accomplish: to drive a wedge between ALL Muslims and the Western world. Donald Trump is only too happy to accommodate them.

From the astute Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/trump-g ... st-p-51999

[_The CCC]

Wow..... You're equating standard border laws, where controling and restricting access is SUPPOSED to occur as somehow "infringing upon liberty".
And liberals never cease in their stupidity.

If you were so concerned with "liberty"..... then stop being a liberal where fascism is your base ideology, ban guns, ban the right to defend oneself, ban big gulps, ban a particular good popcorn butter, cooking oil, taking peoples hard earned work and giving it to others to buy votes and consolidate power is not liberty, etc.. etc.

Base "Law" and "Rules" of functional society such as criminal law, borders, Stop Signs, etc. is not "facism" and is not somehow "infringing on liberty".
So facinating how liberals "reverse" truth and right into the opposite of what truth and right is.....

You're an idiot. There are American Muslims in the US military fighting in Iraq, and Syria right now. Do they get to come home?

[_MeDotOrg]

From CNN:

Yet, unlike with past provocative statements, Trump appears to have sparked a level of backlash from GOP party leaders and his opponents that could be a tipping point for the willingness of fellow Republicans to criticize him directly and openly. Jeb Bush called Trump "unhinged." Ted Cruz said it wasn't his policy. And Dick Cheney, who previously said he would back the Republican nominee even it was Trump, said that Monday's proposal "goes against everything we stand for and believe in."

At a press conference on Tuesday, House Speaker Paul Ryan also slammed Trump.

"This is not conservatism," he said. "What was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for."

Thank you, Mr. Vice President, thank you Mr. Speaker.

Ted Cruz amplified his strong condemnation today:

In the media, there has been no shortage of criticism for Donald Trump, and I do not believe the world needs my voice added to that chorus of critics.

Translation: I'm not going to say anything to piss off Trump supporters, because I see those supporters as being mine after he falls. Better to be reticent in my condemnation of a morally reprehensible statement if I can pick off some disaffected Trump loyalists...