Fox News Wants Your Kids to Charge at Active Shooters

[_DarkHelmet]

So if your school-age child manages to somehow approach and steal an active shooter’s gun, should they then keep pummeling the presumably enraged murderer—or should they run?:

"Once you engage the gunman, you have to—you have to just take him out. You have to fight strong. So you’re not actually going to try and get away until you actually make sure that you’ve done some damage to him. Because if you don’t, then he’ll just pursue you."

“Once you engage the gunman, you have to take him out” is a “stop, drop, and roll” for a new generation of American children.

OKay, if the kid stole the gun, why would they "pummel" him in order to "take him out"? Just shoot him in the head. And if there are other active shooters, the kid now has a gun and he can take out those shooters, and free all the other kids.

[_Jersey Girl]

You people are evil as usual.... for your lying.

Really? And what are you? Good and honest?

Yep..... Your perversion, misrepresentation, lying, distortion, false degrading, ignorant views and "diagnoses" is not me not being good and honest.

Let's break this down, okay? I'd like an example of each accusation.

1. Perversion
2. Misrepresentation
3. Lying
4. Distortion
5. False degrading
6. Ignorant views
7. "diagnoses"

I've also never said I'm "perfect". It's why I admited to "plagurizing" some sentences and paragraphs in a few papers because of not having the TIME to fully absorb the subject matter to make it all my own. I was "admiting" my "imperfection" and sins..... my ACTUAL ones, contrary to your liberal lying claims of me.

The words are admitted and plagiarizing. Political affiliation obviously has no bearing on whether or not one lies. You're a self proclaimed conservative and you lie like a rug.

You can claim I was not fully "honest" in those few acts, but that is not the same as "lying".

Making claims that aren't fully honest is called lying.

Again, I haven't "lied" since I was 11 or something.

Sure you have. You've lied in the above post.

Whatever moron claims you all make of me, I fully admit that which is actually true.

Really? I haven't seen that. I've seen you describe your viewing of the attacks on 9/11 about 5 different ways, each one contradicting the other. I've seen you describe outright plagiarism as quoting.

You're lying again.

Another example, you all claim I'm a "bigot".....

You all? I thought this post was a direct response to me. Did you toss me back in the box of those whom you devalue to make yourself feel superior?

I absolutely am, but toward bigotry, toward evil, toward the lying people do of others, etc. a.k.a. anti-mormonism and liberlism and all it's other forms of perversion and evil of things that are good and true. You claim all your little "diagnoses" of me, yet you ignore things like this which completely debunk your lying "beliefs" of me. Someone "mentally challenged" doesn't freely admit his mistakes and sins. He doesn't admit like I've done like 3 times over the years when he's said something false or incorrect.

Three times over the years you've admitted to saying something false or incorrect? Talk about laughable.

The entire problem here, is you all confuse your OWN warped judgments, lying, evil in your hearts with me being the actual problem.
Again, I wouldn't be posting here if you all weren't so evil.... I LOVE fighting against evil, destroying it. In real life, I'm one to protect the innocent, to condemn bigots, to beat the ship out of bully's and jerks if necessary, to jump into a fight if someone is getting abused, etc.
So, you all enjoy all your fantasy imaginings of me, conservatives, blah blah blah, but it's not the truth, and it's NEVER been the truth.
You know not what you do.....

Okay, so let's back up the truck. You've referred to me as having perversions, misrepresentation, lying, distortion, false degrading, ignorant views and "diagnoses" (that's another lie, by the way) and discuss evil in our hearts. Then, you go on to say how you love fighting evil, destroying it, condemn bigots, beat the crap out of bullies and jerks, jump into a fight.

So can one safely assume that you'd like to beat the crap out of Jersey Girl?

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's an informative piece.

Compensatory narcissism is a form of mental illness characterized by narcissistic traits, such as disdain for others and an unjustified feeling of superiority, that mask underlying feelings of inferiority. Narcissists in general tend to see themselves as superior to others and demonstrate disdain for others while trying to elevate themselves in order to assert that superiority. "Classical" narcissists may not do this because of an underlying insecurity or feeling of inferiority, but those with compensatory narcissism act as they do in order to compensate for such feelings. In many cases, in spite of practicing behaviors that alienate others, compensatory narcissists desperately seek the praise and approval of their peers and can become quite upset if they fail to get it.

Individuals with compensatory narcissism tend to display many traits beyond feelings of superiority and disdain for other people. In many cases, such people also have only a limited capacity for empathy and have little concern for or interest in the effects of their actions on other people. Someone suffering from this condition is likely to be highly focused on his own social position as well, and often responds with anger or unreasonable depression to any criticism or insult.


Compensatory narcissists often cycle from phases of depression or emptiness to great excitement and energy based on the approval of others and on other personal factors. This type of narcissist often seeks to win the approval of others by exaggerating his achievements, boasting, and even lying about actions and accomplishments as well as by downplaying the achievements and value of other people.

Underachievement is another common trait of those with this condition. The compensatory narcissist often wants immediate gratification and praise and is, accordingly, unwilling to invest a great deal of time into any given endeavor. As such, he is likely to do generally lackluster work in his career, academics, or other endeavors.

It is important to remember the underlying cause for the behaviors and traits associated with compensatory narcissism is a feeling of inferiority. The behaviors that seem to emphasize the narcissist's own superiority while downplaying the value of others are all artificially employed to compensate for deep-rooted insecurities. These insecurities and feelings of inferiority are often rooted in the way that one was raised as a child. Parents who are abusive or who have unrealistic expectations for their children can contribute to the development of compensatory narcissism. In many cases, an individual with this condition is not even fully aware of the underlying inferiority, and the narcissistic behavior acts as a defense mechanism against feeling inferior.

http://www.wisegeekhealth.com/what-is-compensatory-narcissism.htm

[_Quasimodo]

Jersey Girl, that's ldsfaqs in a nutshell. I think his cure is beyond us here at MDB. He says he is getting counseling (hope that's true).

If nothing else, he does make for some interesting discussions.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl, that's ldsfaqs in a nutshell. I think his cure is beyond us here at MDB. He says he is getting counseling (hope that's true).

If nothing else, he does make for some interesting discussions.

He might make for interesting discussions, however, the topic of this thread was about a child training regarding terrorists. Almost every thread he posts on shifts focus to ldsfaqs. Let me show you why I think that happens.

Here's his first post on this thread. This is what I chose to respond to because it begins with a personal attack on other posters. I'll bold it so it stands out.

You people are evil as usual.... for your lying.

Of course people should run and hide etc. if able to safely.
However, if you are close enough to be dead, etc. and/or have the ability to do something, then you ABSOLUTELY should do so.
It's astounding to me how liberals lie about conservatives in order to condemn them, a little truth to tell a great lie.

What you liberals have said is no different than telling those on Flight 93 that they should have just sat there and allowed the Plane to be taken over and hit it's target. This is the core of liberal ideology. They want to be taken care of, to be told what to do, etc. They are collective in mindset, not individuals.

On almost every thread where he posts personal attacks, other posters answer to that or mock him, and that's likely due to the splitting feature of his posts. Splitting is the good/evil,, good guys/bad guys, theme that runs through almost every one of his posts.

He's not about discussion. He's about attacking people on this forum. When people shoot back responses he claims that they are personally attacking him.

Even when other posters have managed to move past the personal attacks and accusations to take apart his on topic comments, that also results in him attacking people here.

No matter what happens, all roads lead back to ldsfaqs.

Gee, I wonder why?

[_Res Ipsa]

That last question was rhetorical, right Jersey Girl? ;-)

On topic: Frankly, I haven't the faintest idea about the safest way to behave in an active shooter situation. My default is to defer to the experts, which would include the FBI and not a couple of martial arts instructors. If it's me, I hope I'd be able to rush the shooter. I've never been under fire, so I have no idea how I would actually react. But I'm not convinced that teaching my children to rush a shooter increases their chance of survival.

[_Jersey Girl]

That last question was rhetorical, right Jersey Girl? ;-)

Completely.

On topic: Frankly, I haven't the faintest idea about the safest way to behave in an active shooter situation. My default is to defer to the experts, which would include the FBI and not a couple of martial arts instructors. If it's me, I hope I'd be able to rush the shooter. I've never been under fire, so I have no idea how I would actually react. But I'm not convinced that teaching my children to rush a shooter increases their chance of survival.

My concern is that the suggested training is giving children a false sense of empowerment in their ability to handle confrontation with and adult holding a gun.

[_Brackite]

"You can claim I was not fully "honest" in those few acts, but that is not the same as "lying". Again, I haven't "lied" since I was 11 or something." - ldsfaqs


There are many other forms of lying. When we speak untruths, we are guilty of lying. We can also intentionally deceive others by a gesture or a look, by silence, or by telling only part of the truth. Whenever we lead people in any way to believe something that is not true, we are not being honest.

http://web.archive.org/web/200404122131 ... 40,00.html



Even sharing the truth can have the effect of lying when we tell only half-truths that do not give a full picture. We can also be guilty of bearing false witness and lying if we say nothing, particularly if we allow another to reach a wrong conclusion while we hold back information that would have led to a more accurate perception. In this case it is as though an actual lie were uttered.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1994/10/thou ... s?lang=eng

[_ludwigm]

Not only the "Search" function doesn't work, the function foe/ignore has no effect.
It is not the software's error... it is Your one, dear partners here!

There are 3 member on my ignore list. (Guess who!)
Then, I should read their garbage quoted again and again.

#406 of 750 Hungarian proverbs:
Kutyából nem lesz szalonna.
Out of a dog there will be no lard.
(Equivalent of "A leopard cannot change his spots.")


To the OP:

If it's me, I hope I'd be able to rush the shooter.

If it's me, I don't know. It depends on the relative position, and the direction of the weapon.

I've never been under fire, so I have no idea how I would actually react.

I was one time. Jumped to a dugout. It happened at Near East, not during a terrorist action. I don't like to remember that 18 month! (? mission...)


Teaching our children?
Here, in Hungary, we may have less freedom than in US. But we should not preparation our children to a behaviour in a mass shooting. In schools, in malls, in hospitals.
Mass shooting is not a fashion down here.


Carrying weapons?
When we were posters (messengers? guards?) in the army, we used to wear the guns on waist-belt, shown. In uniform. When I was young officer, I traveled some thousand kilometers as such.
The toy for self-defence (6.35 Zbrojowka) should have been weared concealed. Default, without special permit.

[_Jersey Girl]

Definitions are helpful, Brackite.

Merriam-Webster

Full Definition of PLAGIARIZE

transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source

intransitive verb

: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

Emphasis mine.