Imam forced to resign for agreeing with Trump....

[_Lemmie]

At least 99.9% of the time when I personally attack, I'm addressing the arguments foremost.

Another sort-of, 'not-really' lie? Here's just a small part of ldsfaqs, addressing the issues 99% of the time, in a thread about Trump and parts of Britain....

Boy you people are truly "unhinged"..... in your efforts to be offenders for a word, trying to find any sort of "weakness" you can exploit or attack to the fullest most astoundingly stupid HILT.....

Thus, you all going on and on, is amazing the degree the liberal mental disorder goes.

So shut up.....I understand the liberal can't understand such fine distinctions, but it is what it is.

[_The CCC]

Once again, faqs, you are the liar. At this point, it's pathological with you. You put the word halt in quotation marks and in boldface. Now, let's test your honesty. Watch the clip again where Trump reads from his own announcement. Now, respond with the time tic where Trump describes his proposal as a "halt."

Here's the man's description in his own words: "total and complete shutdown" of the U.S border to Muslims. In what universe is the word "ban" not an accurate word to apply to "total and complete shutdown" of our borders to Muslims?

Of course, a ban can be temporary or permanent. This one is indefinite and could be permanent. The condition for lifting it is so subjective and so nebulous that there is no good reason to believe it ever will be lifted. By the way, your description of the conditions for lifting the ban is also not what Trump said.

You're the liar. FAQs. You.

It's simply so amazing how the liberal lies..... even though I clearly list/show how. The "pathology" is with the liberal.
Liberalism IS a mental disorder....

1. A "shutdown" is just that, a shutdown..... It's not a "ban". Ban CAN be used as I said (if you've actually READ what I said), but only if being accurate in INCLUDING the other necessary information. But, it's not the most accurate word to describe the situation. But more so, most liberal articles etc. don't mention the other necessary information, and the reasons why, etc., a.k.a. CONTEXT. Almost ALL of you liberals have made is seem like Trump was saying to "ban Muslims"..... which is an utter and outright LIE.... That makes YOU the liar.

2. He specifically states the word "until"..... which don't know why you don't understand English means "temporary". There is no "either or" like you try to claim, especially your "indefinate" or "permanent" LIE....

3. My "conditions" is the CONTEXT of what he was talking about. Those of us who actually listen, and study facts and news, have seen and heard many interviews etc. from government and law enforcement associated with the checking system for entry that there are MANY problems that need to be fixed. THAT is what Trump was responding about when he made the statement. And he most certainly said "until they get their s*** together" (paraphrasing)..... which IS the primary condition, and what I expounded upon.

You're the liar..... Hudson. YOU!

You are an idiot.

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Please locate Liberalism in the DSM 5 as a mental disorder.

Ban means : to forbid people from using (something) : to say that something cannot be used or done
: to forbid (someone) from doing or being part of something
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ban

Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entry into the US. (CNN)Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/ ... migration/

A ban can be permanent or temporary.
SEE https://books.google.com/books?id=ygMlA ... y.&f=false

[_ldsfaqs]

Wikipedia is all over the place when it concerns Liberalism and Conservatism etc.

For example they mix modern liberalism with classical liberalism.
Thus, Wiki's definition of Liberalism is not modern liberalsm as believed and practiced.

Modern liberalism is Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist based..... NOT Classical Liberlism which is based in "Individual" Freedom, Civil Rights, Capitalism, etc.
Classical Liberalism is Conservative/Libertarian based... Leftists are not Libertarians, and they also don't believe in Free Markets.

Key root "Liber".....

Again, you forget that years ago in the early 20th Century Progressives took over the word "liberal" to try to make themselves not seem progressive because progressive became a bad word, just like today, liberal is a bad word so they are trying to be Progressives again.

Liberals are always manipulating words for their means.
It's just like Global Warming..... You all couldn't prove global warming very well, so you changed it to Climate Change as a catch all so you can call any normal weather activity as the "end of the world".
FYI, this is proven in hacked/reveled emails from your quack lying scientists.

Or another example, instead of "Union" being the generic word, liberals/gays have made "Marriage" a generic word instead of the specific definition it had.
Or way in the past, "gay" used to mean happy, now it only describes homosexuals.

[_Res Ipsa]

If I proposed to ban Muslims until rainbows and unicorns sat atop the Capitol dome, I've used the word until, but the ban would almost assuredly be permanent. When the condition for lifting the ban is "until the government gets its crap together, there is no reason to believe it will be lifted at all.

By the way, where exactly did Trump say "halt"?

[_Lemmie]

Wikipedia is all over the place when it concerns Liberalism and Conservatism etc.

For example they mix modern liberalism with classical liberalism.
Thus, Wiki's definition of Liberalism is not modern liberalsm as believed and practiced.

Modern liberalism is Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist based..... NOT Classical Liberlism which is based in "Individual" Freedom, Civil Rights, Capitalism, etc.
Classical Liberalism is Conservative/Libertarian based... Leftists are not Libertarians, and they also don't believe in Free Markets.

Key root "Liber".....

Again, you forget that years ago in the early 20th Century Progressives took over the word "liberal" to try to make themselves not seem progressive because progressive became a bad word, just like today, liberal is a bad word so they are trying to be Progressives again.

Liberals are always manipulating words for their means.
It's just like Global Warming..... You all couldn't prove global warming very well, so you changed it to Climate Change as a catch all so you can call any normal weather activity as the "end of the world".
FYI, this is proven in hacked/reveled emails from your quack lying scientists.

Or another example, instead of "Union" being the generic word, liberals/gays have made "Marriage" a generic word instead of the specific definition it had.
Or way in the past, "gay" used to mean happy, now it only describes homosexuals.

Before you run away again, can you please address your misunderstanding and consequent verbal abuse of all involved re: the definition of the word 'ban'?

[_ldsfaqs]

If I proposed to ban Muslims until rainbows and unicorns sat atop the Capitol dome, I've used the word until, but the ban would almost assuredly be permanent. When the condition for lifting the ban is "until the government gets its s*** together, there is no reason to believe it will be lifted at all.

By the way, where exactly did Trump say "halt"?

Yet, Trump didn't say rainbows and unicorns.
Further, nobody has said the government can be perfect, but it certainly CAN be better than it is. There's all kinds of information and stats out there to back that up, which I've given before. One of many examples is how many people are on the No Fly List that shouldn't be on it, sitting Senator's, etc. I mean, that's clear incompetency.... which CAN be fixed.

Let me give some examples.
- Bad databases. They can consolidate and improve them.
- Not allow people in that have fanatical views.
- Not allow "individuals" in unless they can demonstrate a need for Asylum
- Only allow good family's in with no radical views.

Of course, being very generic and limited here, but these are the kinds of things that can be done.
The professionals out there know all this..... yet the liberal doesn't.

"Stopping" "until" something occurs means to "HALT" it.....
Again, basic english, which you all are critical of me on, yet I'm clearly the one that actually understands it, even if I don't spell it all correctly.

[_Brackite]

The liberal simply says Trump was "banning" Muslims, thus making him out to be a bigot RATHER than what he was actually meaning, which would make him NOT a bigot.

See, this is how liberals lie about everything and about conservatives.

How do we know that Trump is a real conservative?? Trump has donated money to Democrats in the past. Trump has never held office as a Republican. And now since Trump is running for President, he is calling for mass Government-enforced deportation.
Mass Government-enforced deportation would very likely cost the Federal Government a lot of money.

According to this Article, it would cost about a half trillion dollars to try to deport 11.2 million individuals.

Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. - Link


And according to this Article, there are now about 11.7 million individuals living in this country illegally.

The total number of migrants living in this country without papers edged up from 11.3m in 2009 to 11.7m last year, with those from countries other than Mexico at an apparent all-time high, according to a report released Monday by Pew Research Center's Hispanic Trends Project. - Link

[_ldsfaqs]

I've never said Trump was a "full conservative".

I've also never said I'm a "supporter". I support Ted Cruz as the only one most qualified and most conservative.
Also, peoples views sometimes change as they learn and grow. In my early 20's I wasn't much into politics, and I actually voted for Harry Reid because I had no idea that there were Mormon liberals, and I hadn't had the time to properly research the candidates.

Also, he's addressing some of our biggest problems in this country right now, thus I support him in that, and he's conservative in that.

I know he's not "ideal".... but he's certainly far better than liberals and Obama, and he's wanting to focus on fixing the most pressing problems, immigration issues, the economy, and freedom.

Also, you get the "cost" wrong..... It wouldn't cost that much at all. It's also been done before by a Democrat by the way.
Further, I never said I'm a full supporter of Trump, and this is one issue I'm not.
There will "have" to be a "screening" process so we aren't destroying lives. Just deporting everyone isn't right in my view.

Also, I can't remember the number, but there is actually believed to be 40 Million or something Illegals in the U.S. according to certain business records, Banks and such that are able to give a more accurate #, see the articles/videos etc. on it. We've somehow been at 11 Million illegals for the last 40 years or something. That's not possible.

[_MeDotOrg]

ldsfaqs, if Obama announced that he was he was temporarily stopping the sale of guns in the United States until our representatives got a handle on the situation, would you call it a ban, or would insist on calling it a temporary stoppage?

Once again, the definition of ban is an "official or legal prohibition". If someone can not board an airplane with a valid passport because of a 'official or legal prohibition' he is banned from entering the United States. A ban is a ban. The amount of time has nothing to do with it.

[_ldsfaqs]

ldsfaqs, if Obama announced that he was he was temporarily stopping the sale of guns in the United States until our representatives got a handle on the situation, would you call it a ban, or would insist on calling it a temporary stoppage?

Once again, the definition of ban is an "official or legal prohibition". If someone can not board an airplane with a valid passport because of a 'official or legal prohibition' he is banned from entering the United States. A ban is a ban. The amount of time has nothing to do with it.

And like I've said over and over again, while not the most accurate word, I would be fine that "ban" is used, since it's a related word....
The "problem" is omiting the context of the "changed" word, making it "seem" like something it's not. Liberal media most don't say it's a Temporary ban, most don't say it's halting until some things are fixed, etc. etc. The Imam understands it..... why don't you?

I would call it a halt on gun sales..... which is what he said. It's not a "ban". Meth is "banned". Nukes are "banned".
The problem is however, that "legal guns sales" is not where the vast majority of the gun problem resides, thus I wouldn't at all go along with it.
The gun problem resides in liberal created lax enforcement and punishment of gun crimes and criminals, so it's nothing more than a vacation to most. It's repeat offenders, and it's the mentally ill. Fix those problems, and we would have very little gun crime in this country compared to now.

In contast, Legal Immigration DOES have a problem, especially when it concerns Muslims, and even more when it concerns the current Refugee situation, which IS the further context of Trumps statement.

So, you're wrong as usual.

by the way, if I was in charge, I would completely ban Refugees etc. from entering until they can document and demonstrate that they have a legit need to be here, that they agree with American values, etc. I would have a responsiblity to my Country first, not to outsiders. Yes, I believe in being my brothers keeper, but I'm not going to kill my mother to help my brother. And they must demonstrate they are in fact my brother.

by the way, what's further funny about all this is you liberals are always up in arms about America engaging in War against Fanatical Islam, and thus helping our good Islamic Brothers outside of the country, yet you all have no problem with allowing hoards of people most of which don't agree with our values into the country, many of which who harm our brothers and sisters in our home. But I know why..... cause it's all about the votes. Immigration and Illegal Immigration benefits liberals, so it's okay. War outside the U.S. that benefits strangers not okay, cause you liberals don't get anything for it.