Good guy with a gun Myth

[_Kevin Graham]

Debunked in a hilarious experiment.

[_Res Ipsa]

Not as hilarious

[_Some Schmo]

Not as hilarious

Both of those were great, and not at all surprising. (Jordan Klepper cracks me up).

I've always thought that the last person I'd want to be in that situation was the guy with a weapon. I'd want to disappear, not stand out.

Of course, the gun nuts would call this liberal propaganda.

[Guest]

Utter bullpucky liberal out of context misrepresentation and thus LYING.....

Good guys stop all kinds of situations in life in all kinds of ways, including with guns.
Read some history, read some news in various country's, watch some Youtube videos, etc.

Further, did you even fn watch the videos, especially the second one?
The fool wasn't even trying to take it serious. A shooter comes in and he runs away acting like an utter retard little girl who's scared.
That you actually think that fool was "seriously trying" to use a gun to protect himself and others makes clear the liberal "intellect" and judgment skills.

Further, people who want to carry guns are people who are among the mentally prepared for it, likely have been around guns for years, have experience firing various guns, have a legit need to protect themselves even if new to guns they are mentally prepared for it, on and on and on.

If the liberal doesn't want to carry a gun, clearly not "prepared" to do so, then they have no business and are free not to do so.

I'm the actual "good guy with a gun" in REAL LIFE..... A normal person, who at times in life that has experience with firearms, and then feels like carrying, and then does. I am most certainly prepared for a shooting situation. Of course, not all have been in the military, have prepared for law enforcement most of their lives, etc. like me, but most everyone out there who wants to touch a gun has enough experience in a life or death situation to make a difference, even if imperfect. People who carry guns aren't "wimpy girlyboys" pretending to be cool with a gun.

Why do liberals like to outright lie so much???

[_MissTish]

I'm the actual "good guy with a guy" in REAL LIFE.

I'm so glad you've decided to come out. The reason you've been so angry is from holding that secret inside for so long. It must be such a relief.

[_Lemmie]

I'm the actual "good guy with a guy" in REAL LIFE.

I'm so glad you've decided to come out. The reason you've been so angry is from holding that secret inside for so long. It must be such a relief.

You beat me to it missTish!

I'm still a little concerned that a guy with an uncharacteristized discharge thinks he has the option to carry a gun when he feels like it.

[_Some Schmo]

Utter bullpucky liberal out of context misrepresentation and thus LYING.....

OK, so I was off by a few hackneyed phrases. Sue me.

[_Some Schmo]

I'm still a little concerned that a guy with an uncharacteristized discharge thinks he has the option to carry a gun when he feels like it.

The only uncharacteristized discharge is what he's wiping off his keyboard late at night before bedtime.

[Guest]

Okay.....now.

I like how the liberal used the FBI guy who did the study to "misrepresent" what was actually being asked and said.
The liberal created a stawman that the FBI guy then addressed.
The strawman claim was that "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun".
The FBI guy falls into the word trap game of the liberal, not realizing that he was making it seem that "good guys don't stop bad guys with guns".

Of course, the liberal strawman is a LIE.... Conservatives have never said a gun is the "only way" bad guys can be stopped.

Here's what the FBI guy was referrencing when he spoke....
As can be seen, it is correct that guns aren't only what stops people with guns, but that's not a claim ever made.
It's a misrepresentation, taking a popular statement out of it's context.

The way the liberal further lies, is by not realizing that these are "historical data".
It's not indicating what would happen if MORE civilians were armed. If they were, then clearly more would be stopped by a gun, more innocent death would be prevented, because after all, it's generally safer to shoot someone than to approach them unarmed and stop them. The police come with guns.... they don't try to take out an attacker without a gun..... they aren't NINJAS.... so why would civilians not be allowed to protect themselves?

Resolutions
The majority of the 160 incidents (90 [56.3%]) ended on the shooter’s initiative—
sometimes when the shooter committed suicide or stopped shooting, and other times when
the shooter fled the scene.

There were at least 25 incidents where the shooter fled the scene before police arrived. In 4
additional incidents, at least 5 shooters fled the scene and were still at large at the time the
study results were released.

In other incidents, it was a combination of actions by citizens and/or law enforcement that
ended the shootings. In at least 65 (40.6%) of the 160 incidents, citizen engagement or the
shooter committing suicide ended the shooting at the scene before law enforcement arrived.

Of those:
■ In 37 incidents (23.1%), the shooter committed suicide at the scene before police
arrived.
■ In 21 incidents (13.1%), the situation ended after unarmed citizens safely and successfully
restrained the shooter. In 2 of those incidents,24 3 off-duty law enforcement
officers were present and assisted.
■ Of note, 11 of the incidents involved unarmed principals, teachers, other school
staff and students who confronted shooters to end the threat (9 of those shooters
were students).
■ In 5 incidents (3.1%), the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law
enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters. In these incidents, 3 shooters
were killed, 1 was wounded, and 1 committed suicide.
■ The individuals involved in these shootings included a citizen with a valid firearms
permit and armed security guards at a church, an airline counter, a federally
managed museum, and a school board meeting.25
■ In 2 incidents (1.3%), 2 armed, off-duty police officers engaged the shooters, resulting
in the death of the shooters. In 1 of those incidents, the off-duty officer assisted a
responding officer to end the threat.26

Even when law enforcement arrived quickly, many times the shooter still chose to end his
life. In 17 (10.6%) of the 160 incidents, the shooter committed suicide at the scene after law
enforcement arrived but before officers could act.

In 45 (28.1%) of the 160 incidents, law enforcement and the shooter exchanged gunfire. Of
those 45 incidents, the shooter was killed at the scene in 21, killed at another location in 4,
wounded in 9, committed suicide in 9, and surrendered in 2.

Note how only 28% of shooting situations were involved by the Police.
In other words, 72% of all shooting events are stopped by Civilians or shooter suicide.
Minus suicide, somewhere around 49% of all shootings Civilians in some form stopped the shooting.
It's true only 4.4% of all shootings of this small sample of 160 shootings were stopped by some type of Civilian Armed be it regular civilian or other type such as an off duty cop, but that's just showing what happened, not what could happen if more were armed. Further, the study omits MANY types of shootings. Even more so.... it's not "news" that very few people are armed these days, and thus able to actually stop a shooter before very many people die.

So, in the particular "active shooter" standard this paper studied, civilians do in fact use guns to stop crime.
Sure, it's not alot, but nobody said it was..... it should and could be more. Innocent people who didn't have to die if more civlians were armed who could be.

by the way, I should mention I've never actually "carried" a firearm yet for personal carry. But, I finally will be soon once I'm healthy.
I'm passionate about it all now, well educated and trained also. Like everyone, never felt the "need" to before. Which is why there are so few civilian shooters stopping an active shooter.

[_Blixa]

I'm the actual "good guy with a guy" in REAL LIFE.

I'm so glad you've decided to come out. The reason you've been so angry is from holding that secret inside for so long. It must be such a relief.