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ludwigm wrote:A US town has rejected a proposal for a solar farm following public concerns.
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During the Woodland Town Council meeting, one local man, Bobby Mann, said solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not go to Woodland
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Jane Mann, a retired science teacher, said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing, stopping them from growing.
Ms Mann said she had seen areas near solar panels where plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough sunlight.
She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.


- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 71526.html -

From the comments:
"Solar panels may also cause Donald Trump or Sarah Palin."

Wow! Such appalling ignorance from anyone is incredible enough, but from someone who used to be a science teacher?! That's amazing! I am relieved, though, to find that it was not Woodland, California, which is near where I live. I hope that such extreme stupidity does not prevail anywhere in my home state of California!
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ldsfaqs wrote:Solar Technology should be on HOMES and Businesses..... NOT on "farms".
Local City councils should be enacting building ordinances to encorage the transfer to cleaner tech and use of space.
All farms do is keep power company's in power, are inefficient, harm the environment, waste space and energy (cause it has to travel) etc.

Further, "Panels" are obsolete.... there's better solar tech out there.

Every home should be fitted with Solar Tech, Power generating Windmills, Tankless Water Heaters, Waste collection for Fertilization, Bins for recycling everything, Filtration systems for cleaning water and softening, etc.


Even if Nuclear Fusion comes on-line there is no "magic" Silver Bullet to solve all our energy resource needs.

I live in a small city that tried encouraging use of solar electric by means of homeowner tax incentives to stand alone home owners. A noble effort, but they couldn't get it to work so they abandoned the effort after less than one year. We were able get our Civic Center powered by solar electric, however. California in conjunction with the FED's has been doing similar things for several years now, and it is working well.

Efficiency of Scale works well, particularly with solar electric destined for business and manufacturing. Also storage of electricity is a problem for solar electric when it is night time, and/or is too overcast for solar electric to produce optimal power. Few of us can afford sufficient production capacity to meet all of our needs. Battery technology is improving but still needs work. So other large scale storage options are a necessity. Most of us still use the "Grid" as a backup. I reduced my "Grid" electric use by over 95%.

Panels are not obsolete. They can work quite well in the lower 49 states in America. And the cost per watt is competitive with fossil fuels.

Wind power is site specific. But in area's with an average wind of just 12-15 mph can benefit from it.

There is nothing wrong with the Tankless water heaters, but some type of storage medium( water, Eutectic Salts, or earth mass storage, etc.) to preheat the water does greatly increase their efficiency.

Non-petrochemical organics can be uses to produce methane, and fertilizers. Best of both worlds. :biggrin: Petroleum based organics can be reprocessed into other things.

My city already uses a three bin system for recyclables Blue for (glass, metals, plastics); Green for household wastes(newsprint, bones, and anything else that will not fit down a garbage disposer); and Brown for garden/yard wastes. Which they compost and give away to all that want it. Its is working well.

Waste gray water(Showers, baths, sinks, and the like) conservation can be used, my city is using it for fire suppression, and non-agricultural uses with little treatment. Black water(toilets) is more problematic and needs further treatment before it can be safely used.
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Gunnar wrote:
ludwigm wrote:A US town has rejected a proposal for a solar farm following public concerns.
...
During the Woodland Town Council meeting, one local man, Bobby Mann, said solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not go to Woodland
...
Jane Mann, a retired science teacher, said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing, stopping them from growing.
Ms Mann said she had seen areas near solar panels where plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough sunlight.
She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.


- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 71526.html -

From the comments:
"Solar panels may also cause Donald Trump or Sarah Palin."

Wow! Such appalling ignorance from anyone is incredible enough, but from someone who used to be a science teacher?! That's amazing! I am relieved, though, to find that it was not Woodland, California, which is near where I live. I hope that such extreme stupidity does not prevail anywhere in my home state of California!


Actually, such is a common liberal view from the Environmental wacko side.....
Solar Farms do in fact cause the land they are located to become nearly "barren".

Thus, she has a point, but it's not one I would make. I would make what I said above.
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There is a lot of barren land just waiting to be farmed for its solar rays.

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LDSFAQ:

That one person believes that crap is sad. That she was able to convince a whole town of that crap says something entirely different.
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The CCC wrote:LDSFAQ:

That one person believes that crap is sad. That she was able to convince a whole town of that crap says something entirely different.


Really you need to learn to not read liberal lying media.
It is NOT why the town decided to not build it. You people truly are gullible to no end.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
The CCC wrote:LDSFAQ:

That one person believes that crap is sad. That she was able to convince a whole town of that crap says something entirely different.


Really you need to learn to not read liberal lying media.
It is NOT why the town decided to not build it. You people truly are gullible to no end.


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Lemmie wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Nope.... building codes change all the time, and they are a "non fascist" way of improving the quality of life for individual dwellings.

Not "banning" anything, just having building "standards" improved as they do in a growing technological changing society. So, that's not the same thing as "fascism".
I'm a conservative, thus I believe in "some" necessary regulation.

And you think conservatives consider being required to have 'Solar Tech, Power generating Windmills, Tankless Water Heaters, Waste collection for Fertilization, Bins for recycling everything, Filtration systems for cleaning water and softening, etc.,' to fall under the category of '"some" necessary regulation'? Have to disagree with you there.

Can you imagine what the Heritage Foundation would say about this proposal by faqs? They'd have collectively shat a tanker full of crude oil from their conservative bowels amidst combining howls of disdain for such onerous regulations with looney conspiracy claims about Agenda 21.

They're as apt to see this as 'conservative' as they are to replace 'Merry Christmas' with 'Happy Kwanzaa'.
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Conservatives believe in "conserving".... it's in our name.

Building codes for new housing and major remodels etc. for example are not in any for any sort of "fascism".
Everything I propose does not ban things, does not force things at the expense of others, etc.
It's simply dealing with the demands of modern society, and in the spirit of freedom and self sufficiency, which IS also conservatism.

Not having to rely on government in the form of a Power company etc. is part of conservative values.
I'm a conservative..... I know what we believe and would support. You liberals certain don't. The fact that you don't see these things as conservative shows how utterly ignorant you are of conservatives and conservatism.

by the way, various talk Radio programs including Glenn Beck promote these kinds of things also.
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