School Bans the Pledge

[_just me]

JayGee, I love all of that and agree with your experiences. I also feel that celebrating holidays in school can be very distracting and lead to a couple days of mayhem. Ask me how I know!

I really love the year long garden project!

[_just me]

Wow, I had no idea about the Bellamy Salute, and the update to the Flag Code in the 40's. I learned something new today! Thank you for sharing that little interesting bit of history.

I didn't know about the salute, either! I have known for some time about Ike adding "under God." It is cool to learn the history behind the things we do.

[Guest]

Here is an interesting topic. This elementary school has banned Santa, Thanksgiving and the Pledge of Allegiance.

The reasons, of course, are born out of a desire to be inclusive.

I personally, think this is a very bold move. I do think that celebrating the harvest and wintertime are good ways to help children feel included and teach them that the whole world does not believe as they do.

I personally think that the words "under God" should be removed from the Pledge. I do not recite the Pledge, but I will stand quietly while it is being done. I think removing the words that were added during the red scare would make it more inclusive and reflective of our country.

http://www.sheknows.com/parenting/artic ... 1589138109

Religious freedom in schools is always a tough topic to tackle, and one elementary school principal seems to be doing it the best way she knows how. Though many parents are in an uproar because traditional religious beliefs and cultural symbols like the Pledge are being challenged, there’s still one motivating factor for these changes that we can't ignore: Celebrating our differences will always make us stronger as a nation, and teaching our kids to respect diversity is an invaluable way to prepare the next generation.

I made a post on this subject matter (different issue) that's likely still on the first page......

This is a perfect and clear example of how liberals "reverse" things, calling good evil and evil good.
In the name of "inclusiveness" they actually EXCLUDE people, ideas, things, etc. in what is supposed to be a pluralistic society where ALL good of the people is celebrated and included of the people such areas represent, whether it's Christmas, Hanika, Ramadam, etc. For years and years schools have had lesson plans and activity's on the different cultures etc., so they would sing, do art, learn, etc.

This is what ACTUAL "inclusiveness" looks like.....

But in the liberal warped mind, they think banning anything that's actually a different viewpoint, a different practice, a different culture, etc. IS "inclusiveness".

Can there be any doubt with my other post and this post that Just Me even totally admits the evil and perversion of liberalism?
Nope.... but, that's if this forum had rational and common sense people in it, rather than bigots.

[_Gunnar]

I am old enough to remember when the pledge was changed to include the words "under God." I agree that those words do not belong there, as this is and ought to be a secular nation that constitutionally forbids discrimination based on religious or even lack of religious beliefs. I would feel that way even if I still believed in God. I think the Supreme Court decisions that held that the inclusion of those words did not violate the intent of the no establishment of religion clause in the Constitution were ill-considered and mistaken.

As for celebrating joyous seasonal festivities and holidays like Christmas and thanksgiving or winter solstices, I see no great harm in that. I think children could benefit from learning about such cultural traditions, and not only the ones they were raised with, but also the cultural traditions of others.

[_ldsfaqs]

"Under God" doesn't need to be removed because "God" can mean anything to anyone....

It can mean a being, the earth, secularism, etc. etc.
Whatever your "god" is.... the point is humility. But liberals don't understand such things. And it's also why "Mother Earth" is their God, for they don't actually believe in a higher power, save in that sense. lol

This issue is similar to the original Nicene Creed.
It was written in such a way that the various competing ideology's of the time for various parts of it could except how it's worded.
For example "substance". To the LDS Substance means a body and Christ's literal paternity. To the general Christian it means some form of "spirit" (which actually doesn't make sense because substance is "form" thus in fact like a body, but anyway.

Whatever, the point is, removing secularism is what creates genocidal maniacs like Stalin and Mao (and Hitler), both secularists and who killed likely the most people not war based in the entire history of man.

Removing God, removes accountability in the mans soul......

[_Res Ipsa]

Hark the herald angels sing glory to the new born king.

[_Doctor Steuss]

"Under God" doesn't need to be removed because "God" can mean anything to anyone....

It can mean a being, the earth, secularism, etc. etc.

For me, it means Reese's. Reese's bless America!



(I recently discovered the joys of putting chocolate milk in my Reese's cereal... *faint*. For anyone who has never tried it, I highly recommend it -- followed by bloodwork.)

[_Gunnar]

Jersey Girl. I love your approach too! I would have loved to have had you as one of my children's teachers in their elementary school years! It reminds of of some of my dear wife's approaches to teaching small children when she was an elementary school teacher.

[_Jersey Girl]

The phrase "under God" needs to be taken out of the Pledge because it was put there for political purposes.

I do think it's important to engage in the Pledge of Allegiance. I think it creates a sense of unity to the effect of "Go Team USA!" If I have to see Blucifer every time I leave Denver International Airport, I think we should be pledging our allegiance to our country and creating a sense of team spirit.

I once had to get permission from higher ups to read a book to my class called "America the Beautiful", which in my view, is a piece of American (and local for me) history in terms of the arts and yes, I got permission to do it and sing it!

:-)

[_just me]

For me, it means Reese's. Reese's bless America!



(I recently discovered the joys of putting chocolate milk in my Reese's cereal... *faint*. For anyone who has never tried it, I highly recommend it -- followed by bloodwork.)

Those Reese's are such a great dessert. Just don't eat too many!

It irritates me when religionists say "oh, hey, god can mean anything you want." No. Words have meaning. God indicates a deity of some kind. It didn't need to be added and it certainly needs to be redacted.