Today in Right Wing Fascism

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What "charming" people. :evil:
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I hope anyone who thinks “Sieg heil” is the way to 'Make America Great Again' dies in a fire.
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I don't hope anybody dies in a fire.

I do think it's important to identify and speak out against fascism. But I'm not sure this incident fits the bill. Protestors of various flavors have adopted the tactic of, not just protesting a candidate, but disrupting the candidate's speech. That naturally pisses people off. If I take the the time and trouble to attend a candidate's speech, I bloody well want to hear the candidate.

I understand why they do it. I don't think it's effective. But we already know that Trump's fans tend to be angry. I don't find it surprising that some react angrily when a candidate's speech is interrupted. The article does note that Trump's folks have begun to ask at the beginning of his rallies that the crowed not react physically to protestors. I think that's a good thing, though it's a shame that it is needed.

We've got a scary dynamic going on here. Right wingers whipped up against immigrants. Left wingers whipped up against right wingers whipped up against immigrants. Both sides looking for any incident they can whip up to feed the outrage cycle. It can't lead to anyplace good.

Maybe the U.S. just needs to take a collective breath instead of constantly hyperventilating. Maybe two breaths.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I don't hope anybody dies in a fire.

I do think it's important to identify and speak out against fascism. But I'm not sure this incident fits the bill. Protestors of various flavors have adopted the tactic of, not just protesting a candidate, but disrupting the candidate's speech. That naturally pisses people off. If I take the the time and trouble to attend a candidate's speech, I bloody well want to hear the candidate.

I understand why they do it. I don't think it's effective. But we already know that Trump's fans tend to be angry. I don't find it surprising that some react angrily when a candidate's speech is interrupted. The article does note that Trump's folks have begun to ask at the beginning of his rallies that the crowed not react physically to protestors. I think that's a good thing, though it's a shame that it is needed.

We've got a scary dynamic going on here. Right wingers whipped up against immigrants. Left wingers whipped up against right wingers whipped up against immigrants. Both sides looking for any incident they can whip up to feed the outrage cycle. It can't lead to anyplace good.

Maybe the U.S. just needs to take a collective breath instead of constantly hyperventilating. Maybe two breaths.


Or better yet put in on the back-burner for the next 230 years or so.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I don't hope anybody dies in a fire.


I'm guilty of dramatic hyperbole.


I do however, hope they burn the roof of their mouths on hot pizza and have that skin hanging down and irritating them for days.
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MissTish wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:I don't hope anybody dies in a fire.


I'm guilty of dramatic hyperbole.


I do however, hope they burn the roof of their mouths on hot pizza and have that skin hanging down and irritating them for days.


A life with just cold pizza works for me.
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MissTish wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:I don't hope anybody dies in a fire.


I'm guilty of dramatic hyperbole.


I do however, hope they burn the roof of their mouths on hot pizza and have that skin hanging down and irritating them for days.


Hmmm. That may be just about as bad.... :lol:
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The CCC wrote:
Or better yet put in on the back-burner for the next 230 years or so.


No, I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's when we start hyperventilating and screaming at each other that we accidentally inhale the gum, start to choke, trip and fall and...

Sorry, metaphor got away from me.... :wink:

We can keep it on the front burner. It's just that scorching the hell out of it may not leave us with something we want to eat.
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Brad Hudson wrote:Maybe the U.S. just needs to take a collective breath instead of constantly hyperventilating. Maybe two breaths.


I don't think it is a pox upon both their houses situation. To me, it's like saying the posters Droopy and Brad Hudson are equally chomping at the bit to express outrage.

No they ain't. The right has a much more intense trigger for manufactured outrage than moderates and liberals at the moment. I don't know how much right-wing media you can stomach to take in, but it's a near endless cycle of outrage over misleading and invented stuff. And when they get a hold of something that actually should produce some outrage or offense as a reasonably response, they lose their freaking minds. Droopy is essentially a microcosm of a broader culture occurring in the political right at this moment. The same culture also exists on the left, but it is smaller and less influential in the overall framework of liberal/Democrat discourse. I think there are Democrat operatives who have seen how effective this is and have been working hard for some time to exploit the same tendencies. They've been met with less success. It's getting worse and worse on that side too (representing a general degrading of our political culture), but it's still not nearly as bad.

Trump's core group of political supporters, what I read one sociologist refer to as the "white, male ignoramus vote", tend to be on the very extreme end of that extreme.
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