NOAA Relies On Compromised Thermometers That Inflate Warming

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NOAA Relies On Compromised Thermometers That Inflate Warming

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This and many other facts scientifically with the actual Facts utterly prove the Global Warming scam.
I've addressed this before in the plentora of facts I've presented in the past, now it's been officially proven by a comprehensive study of the issue.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/exclu ... ing-trend/

“The majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts,” Anthony Watts, a seasoned meteorologist and lead author of the study, said in a statement Thursday.

These “compromised” weather stations run hotter than stations that are well-sited, and are used by NOAA as a benchmark to make upward adjustments for other weather stations that are part of the agency’s official temperature record.

Watts and his fellow researchers found only 410 “unperturbed” weather stations out of the 1,218 stations used by NOAA to determine U.S. climate trends. These “unperturbed” stations don’t need to be adjusted by NOAA because they had not been moved, had any equipment changes, or change in the time temperatures were observed.


If you all think this wouldn't effect the "temperature" data over the last 50 years.... you're in neverland.
Anyway, us skeptics have known this problem for some time. Now we have a comprehensive study fully proving it, rather than simply the individual facts and indicators of the problem from station to station.
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Anthony Watts is not a "seasoned meteorologist." He's a former TV weatherman who now is most famous for running a popular blog that promotes global warming skepticism. He does not even have a college degree and it is hard to describe him as a researcher without cracking a little smile.
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EAllusion wrote:Anthony Watts is not a "seasoned meteorologist." He's a former TV weatherman who now is most famous for running a popular blog that promotes global warming skepticism. He does not even have a college degree and it is hard to describe him as a researcher without cracking a little smile.


1. Weathermen are in fact "Meteorologists" by trade.

2. A lot of people are experts in various fields without having "college degrees". Your statement smacks of arrorgant elitism.

3. Anyone can conduct research according to the scientific method. Such is not "brain surgery". Again, another elitist statement.

4. Facts are facts..... The fact that you attack the messenger without objectively studying the facts for themselves demonstrates all anyone needs to know of your objectivity, "scientific" methodology, etc. at determining what is actually the truth of anything.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Anthony Watts is not a "seasoned meteorologist." He's a former TV weatherman who now is most famous for running a popular blog that promotes global warming skepticism. He does not even have a college degree and it is hard to describe him as a researcher without cracking a little smile.


1. Weathermen are in fact "Meteorologists" by trade.

2. A lot of people are experts in various fields without having "college degrees". Your statement smacks of arrorgant elitism.

3. Anyone can conduct research according to the scientific method. Such is not "brain surgery". Again, another elitist statement.

4. Facts are facts..... The fact that you attack the messenger without objectively studying the facts for themselves demonstrates all anyone needs to know of your objectivity, "scientific" methodology, etc. at determining what is actually the truth of anything.


1. Weather is not climate.

2. People who have not studied something to the point that they have advanced degrees (or some kind of equivalence) are not experts.


3. Only credible graduate and post graduate students get the funding and equipment necessary to conduct proper research. Lets see you build something like the Large Hadron Collider without funding.

4. Yes, fact are facts. Provide a substantial number of post graduates that study climate and subscribe to your view.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Anthony Watts is not a "seasoned meteorologist." He's a former TV weatherman who now is most famous for running a popular blog that promotes global warming skepticism. He does not even have a college degree and it is hard to describe him as a researcher without cracking a little smile.


1. Weathermen are in fact "Meteorologists" by trade.

2. A lot of people are experts in various fields without having "college degrees". Your statement smacks of arrorgant elitism.

3. Anyone can conduct research according to the scientific method. Such is not "brain surgery". Again, another elitist statement.

4. Facts are facts..... The fact that you attack the messenger without objectively studying the facts for themselves demonstrates all anyone needs to know of your objectivity, "scientific" methodology, etc. at determining what is actually the truth of anything.

Well, no, ffqqss, you are way behind the times; these days, to get a weatherperson (NOTE: PERSON, not man) job, you need to be a meteorologist, which is defined for you below:
WHAT IS A METEOROLOGIST?
The American Meteorological Society defines a meteorologist as a person with specialized education "who uses scientific principles to explain, understand, observe, or forecast the earth's atmospheric phenomena and/or how the atmosphere affects the earth and life on the planet." This education usually includes a bachelor's or higher degree from a college or university. Many meteorologists have degrees in physics, chemistry, mathematics, and other fields.

https://www2.ametsoc.org/ams/index.cfm/ ... teorology/

Note, an education not involving a banana and an innertube is required. Your 'expert' is a retired 'weatherperson' who clearly is NOT educated. Why do you fall for this crap over and over?

Your 'plentora of facts' and 'many other facts scientifically with the actual Facts utterly prove' NOTHING.

(I thought you were making progress with your spelling and grammar; clearly not. Please look up plethora.)
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ldsfaqs wrote:1. Weathermen are in fact "Meteorologists" by trade.


You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...
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In Hungarian TV channels we can see weatherwomen.
They make the bad weather more wearable.

In this case one of them...
See (all of them about one minute, You'd see the essence in the first ten seconds):
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGfOg7G_eWc -
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016HlPqcHpk -
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txpO-VzlM2k -
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgVgsA65yis -
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5OzrE8-UM -
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Watts himself proved that there is no warm bias in the temperature record for U.S. surface stations. http://www.skepticalscience.com/WattsandBEST.html
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Brad Hudson wrote:Watts himself proved that there is no warm bias in the temperature record for U.S. surface stations. http://www.skepticalscience.com/WattsandBEST.html

Anthony Watts is neither honorable or honest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)
BEST project, alleged doubling of trend by NOAA[edit]
Main article: Berkeley Earth
In March 2011 Watts visited the Berkeley Earth Temperature project (BEST), and said "I'm prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong."[8] In October the project released data and a draft of their paper which produced results supporting the existing scientific consensus. Watts said that its methodology was flawed, complaining that the BEST study analyzed a larger period than his own research, and that it was not yet peer reviewed.[8] Richard A. Muller, founder of BEST, later said their study directly addressed Watts' concern about the condition of weather stations; "we discovered that station quality does not affect the results. Even poor stations reflected temperature changes accurately."[58]

Around 22 July 2012, Watts heard that the BEST project was about to release further material, and decided to release a paper he and Evan Jones had been working on for about a year.[59] On 27 July he blogged that WUWT was suspended until noon on 29 July: "major announcement coming".[60] The New York Times published a summary of further draft results from BEST, including an announcement from Muller that their study now showed that humans "are almost entirely the cause" of the warming. Shortly afterwards, Watts announced his own team's draft paper which said that previously reported temperature rises had been "spuriously doubled", and made the serious accusation that NOAA had inflated the rate by erroneous adjustments to the data.[61][62] Climate scientists and other bloggers quickly found flaws in the paper. Steve McIntyre, who Watts had named as a co-author, stressed that his involvement had been "very last minute and limited". He agreed with criticisms including the point that Watts had failed to correct for time of observation bias, and noted that independent satellite temperature measurements were closer to the NOAA figures.[63]

In 2012 BEST released its series of peer-reviewed papers confirming previous results that the surface temperature is rising.[64]

As you can see from the Wikipedia article quoted above and the portions I emphasized, Watts promised to abide by the BEST project study, even if it proved him wrong (which he obviously did not expect to happen). When that project indeed did prove him wrong, he reneged on that promise, and published his own study. When the flaws in that study were exposed, even Watts' co-author, Steve McIntyre, agreed with the criticisms of it and disavowed it. Despite that, Watts continued to maintain his now thoroughly discredited views. Watts is no credible authority on the realities of climate change, or certainly not an honest one!
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ldsfaqs wrote:Image


We call the people who read the weather on TV meteorologists because traditionally many of them have been credentialed meteorologists. Watts is not. He's just a guy who reads the weather. The link you offered from a tabloid tries to play up Watts' credentials by calling him a "seasoned meteorologist", "lead author", referring to his "fellow researchers," talking about a "landmark study" and so on. This is the language that people use as heuristic cues for scientific credibility, which is misleading if you know who Watts really is.

It's not that it is impossible for someone without formal education to provide meaningful academic contributions - though it is exceedingly rare now - but that doesn't change how disingenuous the description is.
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