Another way of looking how Abortion is Murder.... Kangaroo

[_ldsfaqs]

http://www.hulu.com/kangaroo-dundee

Such precious wonderful love love....

The primary point of this thread starts at the 18 min mark.
To contrast the two types of "child developmental birthing", a woman's womb is little more than an incubator, just of a different "design", similar to the Kangaroo.
The Kangaroo's "embryo" comes out of the mother/born fairly quick, and then by natural instinct while still an embryo crawls into the mother's pouch and then develops there to maturity, no different than a woman's embryo develops and then continues to mature in a woman's womb.
Thus, a woman's embryo is absolutely no different. The only difference is is the "type" of incubator..... whether it's a "pouch" or development of the embryo is in an "enclosed" environment as in a womb.

Accordingly a woman has no more "right" over the "life" of a child in the womb than a child out of the womb.
The Kangaroo demonstrates that an "embyo" IS in fact LIFE that deserves being protected even while tiny still.....

[_MissTish]

A female kangaroo, wallaby, etc. will toss her joey from the pouch allowing it to die to conserve her own body reserves during famine while keeping the embryo she is carring in the uterus dormant until the food supply is replenished.
http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/other/ ... aroos.html

A roo will kill an already living Joey.

So if we look to marsupials as a standard: don't have an abortion, but kill your living baby if times get really tough.

[_ldsfaqs]

A female kangaroo, wallaby, etc. will toss her joey from the pouch allowing it to die to conserve her own body reserves during famine while keeping the embryo she is carring in the uterus dormant until the food supply is replenished.
http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/other/ ... aroos.html

A roo will kill an already living Joey.

So if we look to marsupials as a standard: don't have an abortion, but kill your living baby if times get really tough.

BUZZ WRONG....!

1. Human beings have "choice".... we are not simply animals who kill their children simply because things are "inconvenient".
Thus, you created a fallacy. I was talking about the mechanism of BIRTH...... not animal behaviors. Pay attention instead of creating strawmen.

2. Mormonism has an "exception" standard..... The general rule is not to kill a child in the womb because of the sin of it, but if the health of the mother is threatened in some way of whatever type, and with prayful consideration, then an exception can be made. But, not doing it and adoption are always the best option. Of course, sometimes like if the person was raped, the persons to young and could die and birth, etc. etc., exceptions CAN be made.

Again however.... Human beings are not animals. We have the choice between right and wrong.
But also again, I wasn't comparing animals with humans, I was comparing "birthing" between the two.
I was showing that an embryo IS LIFE...... and women have no right to kill it.

Moreso.... whatever happened to one persons rights end at the point of anothers?
In other words.... You can't have rights at the expense of others. Things you do that harm others, you don't have the "right" to do that.
Likewise, an innocent child in your womb, you have no "right" over that life. Your rights end at the door of that life.

That is basic Law.... basic Right and Wrong.
Of course, liberals have distorted and perverted law and right and wrong.

[_MissTish]

I was showing that an embryo IS LIFE...... and women have no right to kill it.

Of course, sometimes like if the person was raped, the persons to young and could die and birth, etc. etc., exceptions CAN be made

Is the embryo not life when the woman is raped? If the person is too young? If the mother's health is in danger?

Why do they have the right to kill it in those cases?

[_Jersey Girl]

To contrast the two types of "child developmental birthing"

What is "child developmental birthing"?

[Guest]

I was showing that an embryo IS LIFE...... and women have no right to kill it.

Of course, sometimes like if the person was raped, the persons to young and could die and birth, etc. etc., exceptions CAN be made

Is the embryo not life when the woman is raped? If the person is too young? If the mother's health is in danger?

Why do they have the right to kill it in those cases?

I never said it was "automatic" right....
Only that in extreme conditions, the right to life becomes the mothers choice, not the childs.
That is a choice they must make however in prayer. Some women may believe the childs life is more important, thus willing to sacrifice themselves of their own life to allow the child to live, or the reverse be the decision.

Very "few" abortions actually fit the above strict and extreme standards.... 99% of them don't (as a best guess). Thus, 99% of all abortions are in fact actually murders.

[_Jersey Girl]

I was talking about the mechanism of BIRTH......

No, you weren't.

[_EAllusion]

So, based on this argument, would you argue that it is immoral to kill animals? If an embryo is in fact a LIFE!!!!(tm), and we are operating under the implicit premise that killing a life is wrong, then surely it is wrong to kill any living thing, yes?

[_ldsfaqs]

I was talking about the mechanism of BIRTH......

No, you weren't.

Sorry, I meant the "mechanism of embryo development". I.e. pouch, womb, etc. all the SAME.

[_Jersey Girl]

Sorry, I meant the "mechanism of embryo development". I.e. pouch, womb, etc. all the SAME.

You still don't have it.