Another way of looking how Abortion is Murder.... Kangaroo

[Guest]

So, based on this argument, would you argue that it is immoral to kill animals? If an embryo is in fact a LIFE!!!!(tm), and we are operating under the implicit premise that killing a life is wrong, then surely it is wrong to kill any living thing, yes?

In general yes.... but animals are specifically "for our use", as all of creation is for our use, thus they are allowed to be killed as necessary to sustain human life, provide developmental skills, etc. Animals because they ARE life, are to be respected, loved, honored etc. otherwise, just like one might honor and value Nature, for nature is also LIFE, but is also for our usage in wisdom and prudence. We still will kill or eat a Plant, a Flower, cut down a tree, etc. as necessary.

In fact, this is the problem with liberal Abortion Ideology. They apply to human life what is supposed to only be applied to animal and other life.
Kill when it's convenient, rather than preserving sentient life which human beings are.

[_MissTish]

Faqs- how does a woman that was raped and wants an abortion prove that she was raped?

Does the rapist need to be convicted? Or do we take her word for it that the child was conceived through rape?

If the mother's health is in danger, but the danger doesn't present until 25 weeks into the pregnancy do you still support her right to make the decision to choose her life over the fetus?

[_ldsfaqs]

Faqs- how does a woman that was raped and wants an abortion prove that she was raped?

Does the rapist need to be convicted? Or do we take her word for it that the child was conceived through rape?

Dumb question..... If a woman is raped, and is clearly deeply effected by it, then people are going to know whether the rapist is convicted or not.
Again, rape is not an auto-qualifyer.... there must be serious harm to the mother (or otherwise per the situation) to even abort a rape baby, and it must be done with lot's of counseling and prayer.

If the mother's health is in danger, but the danger doesn't present until 25 weeks into the pregnancy do you still support her right to make the decision to choose her life over the fetus?

Of course.... in Life and death situations CHOICE comes first over the life of another, because a life is in danger.
It's no different than if someone comes in your home and wants to rape and murder you, you can choose to fight back, or just allow yourself to be raped and killed. It's also no different than self defense.... You have the RIGHT and "choice" to kill another person if they are trying to kill you or another.

It's not murder then.....

Abortion without any sort of serious harm to the mother or other similar situation is nothing but murder.
Abortion with some sort of serious harm to the mother or other similar situation is allowed because it's not considered murder (it's a form of Self Defense).

[_Lemmie]

Thus, 99% of all abortions are in fact actually murders.

As usual, provide a reference for this statistical statement.

And what the damned hell does THIS mean?

but animals are specifically "for our use", ... thus they are allowed to be killed as necessary to ... provide developmental skills...

[_Lemmie]

Dumb question..... If a woman is raped, and is clearly deeply effected by it, then people are going to know whether the rapist is convicted or not.

This statement enrages me, so I have to keep reminding myself it was said by an emotionally stunted person who literally has almost no interaction with the real world. Combine this with his utter lack of thoughtfulness and no ability whatsoever to evaluate a complex situation, and unfortunately what we get is... ldsfaqs.

[_MissTish]

Dumb question..... If a woman is raped, and is clearly deeply effected by it, then people are going to know whether the rapist is convicted or not.

Dumb answer. Possibly one of the dumbest.

Women react in a variety of ways to rape. Many women are raped and no one knows, because they choose never to tell anyone. They don't get a big scarlet R on their foreheads afterward that anyone can see.

Again, rape is not an auto-qualifyer.... there must be serious harm to the mother (or otherwise per the situation) to even abort a rape baby, and it must be done with lot's of counseling and prayer

What would this serious harm be? She's already been subject to serious harm by being raped.

Is it not more seriously harmful to force a woman that has been victimized to be made to carry a baby to term and give birth?

And why do they need counseling and prayer? Because you say so? Not everyone prays, or believes in a god.

It's no different than if someone comes in your home and wants to rape and murder you, you can choose to fight back, or just allow yourself to be raped and killed. It's also no different than self defense.... You have the RIGHT and "choice" to kill another person if they are trying to kill you or another.

But this unborn life is innocent, it's not a rapist/murderer. Why does the mother's life take precedence over the life of the child? Shouldn't the child have it's right to live?

[_Jersey Girl]

Dumb question..... If a woman is raped, and is clearly deeply effected by it, then people are going to know whether the rapist is convicted or not.

This statement enrages me, so I have to keep reminding myself it was said by an emotionally stunted person who literally has almost no interaction with the real world. Combine this with his utter lack of thoughtfulness and no ability whatsoever to evaluate a complex situation, and unfortunately what we get is... ldsfaqs.

I'm not entirely certain that I even know what his above statement means.

[_Jersey Girl]

I was comparing "birthing" between the two.

No, you weren't.

You aren't thinking your posts through. You're not describing accurately what you yourself have written about.

Think before you start hitting the keyboard.

[_Res Ipsa]

I must be tired. Every time I read that title I start to laugh. Liberals are evil because ... kangaroo. An example of how liberals want to destroy America... kangaroo. Trump was right again ... Kangaroo. See -- kangaroo explains everything!

[_MissTish]

I was comparing "birthing" between the two.