Concealed Carry Question

[_Gadianton]

For those who carry, or are preparing to carry shortly in the future, what do you make of the following hypothetical scenario?

The scenario:

You are a right-wing Christian performing your duty to the Constitution by carrying a gun, for which you have a permit. You're in the isle of a sporting goods store, and are just leaving the gun section. Headed toward you is a guy who says openly, not directed toward you personally, but clearly he has no problem with you hearing what he has to say, "Oh great, just what the world needs. More guns." And he shakes his head. The man is clearly an ignorant liberal, and you'd be failing the Constitution to leave him uncorrected. So you speak your mind, telling him that more guns would make for a safer world, if only more people would buy them and train with them. The man disagrees, and the two of you find yourselves in a heated argument. The man is not threatening you, but he is wagging his finger in the air to make his points and clearly seeking to take control of the conversation through his body language.

Now the question is, at this point, is it OK to respond with some body language of your own? You do not mention you have a gun. But perhaps, this guy needs to know that you aren't the type of person that's just going to lay down and take a beating by anyone, including him or the government. You've got your piece holstered under your jacket, and you reach your hand into your jacket and put your hand on the hilt as you make your next point. The liberal is left open with a possible interpretation that you have a gun, an interpretation you do not oppose, but are not about to enforce either. In fact, keeping your hand placed on that hilt, and standing up straight goes a long way to show the liberal that you stand your ground, and aren't going to back down in your speaking of the truth. He eventually throws his hands up, turns, and walks away.

Is this an acceptable and/or positive side benefit to carrying a concealed weapon under a permit?

[_The CCC]

I'm not a pro-gun nut, or an anti-gun nut. But I am against having more nuts with their fingers on the trigger.

[Guest]

In Utah, you just broke the law by putting your hand in your jacket on your gun for the situation you just described.

old, semi-famous example:


Nut case Dell Schanze

[_ldsfaqs]

LOL no.....

In many jurisdictions that is considered a "threat" of violence, and can land you some heat.
Generally though, it's not considered illegal unless you actually pull it out, but still, it's entirely bad form and no good firearms person would do that over a simple argument. Maybe in the "old west" it would be fine, but not in our modern age.

Actual carry people would only do that if the person in question is "threatening violence" themselves. Say some punk is confronting you in a threatening manner, saying why you looking at me getting in your face. Well, THEN it would be fine to expose your gun in a mild threat to make them back off, but NOT in the situation you ask.

Of course, knowing liberals if such a thing ever happened and you simply "happened" to rest your hand on your gun simply to rest it which is something carry people do all the time, resting their hands on their gun if standing around, the liberal would LIE and cry that you "threatened" him, etc. trying to get you in trouble.

Further, me personally, I would give my peace, maybe back and forth a little argue, then move on, because there is no arguing with idiots.
In real life, I don't have time for fools. I just laugh at them and walk away.

[_RockSlider]

Generally though, it's not considered illegal unless you actually pull it out, but still, it's entirely bad form and no good firearms person would do that over a simple argument. Maybe in the "old west" it would be fine, but not in our modern age.

WRONG

[_Lemmie]

Actual carry people would only do that if the person in question is "threatening violence" themselves. Say some punk is confronting you in a threatening manner, saying why you looking at me getting in your face.Well, THEN it would be fine to expose your gun in a mild threat to make them back off, but NOT in the situation you ask.

Oh dear Lord. And you say when you're well you will start carrying a concealed weapon. For the love of God, please DON'T. Hopefully your application will include a background search that includes your internet statements; no agency in their right mind would let you carry.

[_ldsfaqs]

What.... You know that every single jurisdiction in the states has laws against that?
I'm not aware of it off hand, maybe they do.

You somehow missed the part where I said many jurisdictions DO have laws against such.

[_ldsfaqs]

Actual carry people would only do that if the person in question is "threatening violence" themselves. Say some punk is confronting you in a threatening manner, saying why you looking at me getting in your face.Well, THEN it would be fine to expose your gun in a mild threat to make them back off, but NOT in the situation you ask.

Oh dear Lord. And you say when you're well you will start carrying a concealed weapon. For the love of God, please DON'T. Hopefully your application will include a background search that includes your internet statements; no agency in their right mind would let you carry.

What part of "threatening" from the person in question do you not understand?
In a situation like that, it's entirely legal AND moral to make a threat yourself for them to back off, whatever the type of threat you want to make.

So, "dear lord" to yourself, you're a fuckwit as usual.

[_Lemmie]

you simply "happened" to rest your hand on your gun simply to rest it which is something carry people do all the time, resting their hands on their gun if standing around

In a situation like that, it's entirely legal AND moral to make a threat yourself for them to back off, whatever the type of threat you want to make.

Could we get some opinion from actual military on these behaviors?

[_Lemmie]

What part of "threatening" from the person in question do you not understand?

What worries me much, much more is what tiny little incident YOU would regard as threatening enough to make you put your hand on your gun to threaten back.