Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Tobin wrote:Lemmie,

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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Trump and Cruz have the same problem in the nationals. I don't believe either one has a chance.


I doubt any Republican has much of a chance in a national election that allows nontaxpayers to vote. True freedom for working men and women will never be won in a democratic election.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Four months ago i said Bush would never be President.

PERIOD.

This, after ajax and others were talking about him as if he were a sure thing.

EA and cinepro mocked me and the subject of the primary came up and at that point I said yes he may win the nomination but again, HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.

Ajax and his semi-literate brain comes along and says nu uh Kevin you were referring to the general election! Well, no crap.

So how the “F” did I lie??

The fact that he can't even win the nomination is supposed to prove I was wrong about him never becoming President?

Just when it seems the two of you cannot get any dumber...
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Four months ago i said Bush would never be President.

PERIOD.

This, after ajax and others were talking about him as if he were a sure thing.

EA and cinepro mocked me and the subject of the primary came up and at that point I said yes he may win the nomination but again, HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.

Ajax and his semi-literate brain comes along and says nu uh Kevin you were referring to the general election! Well, no crap.

So how the “F” did I lie??

The fact that he can't even win the nomination is supposed to prove I was wrong about him never becoming President?

Just when it seems the two of you cannot get any dumber...
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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ajax18 wrote:
Trump and Cruz have the same problem in the nationals. I don't believe either one has a chance.


I doubt any Republican has much of a chance in a national election that allows nontaxpayers to vote. True freedom for working men and women will never be won in a democratic election.


I'm pretty sure that anyone who is registered to vote files taxes. What system do you recommend to elect leaders that is not democratic?
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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ajax18 wrote:
Trump and Cruz have the same problem in the nationals. I don't believe either one has a chance.


I doubt any Republican has much of a chance in a national election that allows nontaxpayers to vote. True freedom for working men and women will never be won in a democratic election.
Everyone pays taxes. Presumably what you mean by this is people who net more in government benefits than they pay out in their tax burden. You probably just have income taxes in mind, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Republicans control the Senate, House, and a near super-majority of state legislatures and governorships. They have appointed the majority of judges, including those on the Supreme Court.

Your take on this that Republicans can't win elections on a national level so long as nontaxpayers vote. This is quite shallow, and not only because it is contradicted by a reality so obvious that you have to be willfully ignorant to not see it. Do you think there's something magical about why people vote for president over any other office? It's also obviously the case that lots of nontaxpayers vote Republican. Republicans currently dominate the demographic of nontaxpaying whites.That's because Republicans do very well among poor and poorly educated whites despite them being a cohort you think is beyond their grasp. What you really think is that people who stand to benefit from government programs and the higher taxes that should in theory accompany them will vote accordingly at the expense of those harmed by it. This supposedly should prevent Republicans from getting their votes because they are, at least in your view if not reality, the party of lower taxes and smaller government.

Clearly not.
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Kevin Graham wrote:EA and cinepro mocked me and the subject of the primary came up and at that point I said yes he may win the nomination but again, HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.


Good lord this post gets angry. I suppose you could insist that every candidate will never be president, then gloat in every single instance that you were right with one exception. You are not a better forecaster than professional political forecasters. I wonder what makes you think you know more than they do. There was every reason to believe Bush has a reasonable chance. Given that this chance ball-parked to be less than 1/4, it shouldn't be the most surprising result in the universe if it is not realized. He's not even dead in the water yet, but his odds are increasingly low since Rubio more and more looks to be the establishment candidate once they can coalesce. Such is the nature of odds.

If you wish to see some first rate gloating, refer to the thread quite some time ago where I said Rubio was a smart bet and argued, I believe to you, that Ted Cruz has higher likelihood at the nomination than Bernie Sanders does his. Of course, I get these opinions by reading people who compile the data and write about forecasting trends and techniques, so I'm not exactly playing this by intuition.

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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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Tobin wrote:I'm sorry, but Jeb is a terrible politician. He doesn't understand his base and he doesn't have a sense of irony.

Today, Jeb's back-to-back statements were:

Jeb Bush wrote:Just one other thing — I gotta get this off my chest — Donald Trump is a jerk!


Then he says:

Jeb Bush wrote:You cannot insult your way to the presidency.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


Both are true. :wink:
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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I'm pretty sure that anyone who is registered to vote files taxes. What system do you recommend to elect leaders that is not democratic?


Rights should be inseparably connected to responsibilities. Only people that bear the responsibilities should have the right to vote. For example, draft dodgers shouldn't be voting let alone running for president. College students shouldn't be voting. People that collect more in benefits than they pay in taxes should not be voting. It will take a revolution for that to happen again.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Re: Why Jeb Bush is Losing

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ajax18 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that anyone who is registered to vote files taxes. What system do you recommend to elect leaders that is not democratic?


Rights should be inseparably connected to responsibilities. Only people that bear the responsibilities should have the right to vote. For example, draft dodgers shouldn't be voting let alone running for president. College students shouldn't be voting. People that collect more in benefits than they pay in taxes should not be voting. It will take a revolution for that to happen again.


The exact same reasoning that had your wonderful confederate traitor singing the praises of chattel slavery.
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