The Great Republican Revolt

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The Great Republican Revolt

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The Great Republican Revolt is an article by David Frum in the current Atlantic Monthly.

David Frum was Dubya's speech writer, so he is certainly not my ideological soulmate. But I think he covers a lot of good ground in this article.

It's a long article, but I'd like to share two sections:

The angriest and most pessimistic people in America aren’t the hipster protesters who flitted in and out of Occupy Wall Street. They aren’t the hashtavists of #BlackLivesMatter. They aren’t the remnants of the American labor movement or the savvy young dreamers who confront politicians with their American accents and un-American legal status.

The angriest and most pessimistic people in America are the people we used to call Middle Americans. Middle-class and middle-aged; not rich and not poor; people who are irked when asked to press 1 for English, and who wonder how white male became an accusation rather than a description.

You can measure their pessimism in polls that ask about their expectations for their lives—and for those of their children. On both counts, whites without a college degree express the bleakest view. You can see the effects of their despair in the new statistics describing horrifying rates of suicide and substance-abuse fatality among this same group, in middle age.

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Not so long ago, many observers worried that Americans had lost interest in politics. In his famous book Bowling Alone, published in 2000, the social scientist Robert Putnam bemoaned the collapse in American political participation during the second half of the 20th century. Putnam suggested that this trend would continue as the World War II generation gave way to disengaged Gen Xers.

But even as Putnam’s book went into paperback, that notion was falling behind the times. In the 1996 presidential election, voter turnout had tumbled to the lowest level since the 1920s, less than 52 percent. Turnout rose slightly in November 2000. Then, suddenly: overdrive. In the presidential elections of 2004 and 2008, voter turnout spiked to levels not seen since before the voting age was lowered to 18, and in 2012 it dipped only a little. Voters were excited by a hailstorm of divisive events: the dot-com bust, the Bush-versus-Gore recount, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Iraq War, the financial crisis, the bailouts and stimulus, and the Affordable Care Act.

Putnam was right that Americans were turning away from traditional sources of information. But that was because they were turning to new ones: first cable news channels and partisan political documentaries; then blogs and news aggregators like the Drudge Report and The Huffington Post; after that, and most decisively, social media.

Politics was becoming more central to Americans’ identities in the 21st century than it ever was in the 20th. Would you be upset if your child married a supporter of a different party from your own? In 1960, only 5 percent of Americans said yes. In 2010, a third of Democrats and half of Republicans did. Political identity has become so central because it has come to overlap with so many other aspects of identity: race, religion, lifestyle. In 1960, I wouldn’t have learned much about your politics if you told me that you hunted. Today, that hobby strongly suggests Republican loyalty. Unmarried? In 1960, that indicated little. Today, it predicts that you’re a Democrat, especially if you’re also a woman.

Meanwhile, the dividing line that used to be the most crucial of them all—class—has increasingly become a division within the parties, not between them. Since 1984, nearly every Democratic presidential-primary race has ended as a contest between a “wine track” candidate who appealed to professionals (Gary Hart, Michael Dukakis, Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, and Barack Obama) and a “beer track” candidate who mobilized the remains of the old industrial working class (Walter Mondale, Dick Gephardt, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton). The Republicans have their equivalent in the battles between “Wall Street” and “Main Street” candidates. Until this decade, however, both parties—and especially the historically more cohesive Republicans—managed to keep sufficient class peace to preserve party unity.

Not anymore, at least not for the Republicans.
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David Frum was Dubya's speech writer, so he is certainly not my ideological soulmate. But I think he covers a lot of good ground in this article.


I like David Frum. He is the one who came up with the term 'Conservative Entertainment Complex' (CEC) referring mainly to right-wing talk radio.
It was mostly right-wing talk radio stating that Romney would win by a landslide, and it was then mostly right-wing talk radio giving their false analysis on why he lost.
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The perpetuation of stereotypes makes for lousy reading and forms a weak foundation for a good argument.

The revolution of "class" is occurring irrelevant of party affiliation.
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Brackite wrote:
David Frum was Dubya's speech writer, so he is certainly not my ideological soulmate. But I think he covers a lot of good ground in this article.


I like David Frum. He is the one who came up with the term 'Conservative Entertainment Complex' (CEC) referring mainly to right-wing talk radio.
It was mostly right-wing talk radio stating that Romney would win by a landslide, and it was then mostly right-wing talk radio giving their false analysis on why he lost.


This is so ignorant it's astounding....

1. It is Liberals who have an "Entertainment Complex" with their South Park, their various Comedy Central Political shows, and PBS..... ALL of that is "fluff" entertainment with a highly liberal or total liberal bent.

In contrast, Talk Radio especially conservative while having a little entertainment (to laugh at the insanity) is otherwise 99% all about the facts and getting the whole truth out, having the best professionals on etc.

So.... comedy ignorant propaganda, or delving deep into the issues as talk radio does. Which do you really think is of worth? It's not the liberal side.

2. We never thought Romney would "win by a landslide", but we DID underestimate some the power of the liberal propaganda machine how much they've really permiated every aspect of American life, replacing good traditional American values and ethics with the perversion that is leftism, it's mob mentality of ignorance.

When Obama was elected over Romney the second time..... I knew the great American experiment was finally over, or at least a major blow that it may never come back from, that the end just might be near. For someone as Marxist etc. and a con man as Obama to be elected again over a truly good, experienced and intelligent man, the very essence of the greatness of American values..... it's the first time I truly feared for the truths and values that once made America the Shining City on the Hill and the world itself.
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I certainly have nothing against Mr. Romney's religion, but this was a big "TELL" of what conservatives really think.
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The CCC wrote:I certainly have nothing against Mr. Romney's religion, but this was a big "TELL" of what conservatives really think.
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I interpreted that as Romeny trying to placate the rich donors he had on the room with him. Romney was running for president and almost certainly knew a huge % of those net income tax beneficiaries were going to be voting for him. Republicans got the poor white guy vote locked up. The disconnected wealthy elite he was talking to, on the other hand, may buy this line for the most part. They may fear the horde of "takers" coming for their money. I think Romney was BS'ing to scare up some donations.
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EAllusion wrote:
The CCC wrote:I certainly have nothing against Mr. Romney's religion, but this was a big "TELL" of what conservatives really think.
SEE http://archive.freep.com/interactive/ar ... ote-for-me


I interpreted that as Romeny trying to placate the rich donors he had on the room with him. Romney was running for president and almost certainly knew a huge % of those net income tax beneficiaries were going to be voting for him. Republicans got the poor white guy vote locked up. The disconnected wealthy elite he was talking to, on the other hand, may buy this line for the most part. They may fear the horde of "takers" coming for their money. I think Romney was BS'ing to scare up some donations.


Maybe. But I think he was stroking their ego's more than mongering their fears.
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When Obama was elected over Romney the second time..... I knew the great American experiment was finally over, or at least a major blow that it may never come back from, that the end just might be near.


I can't help but agree. The election of 2012 was pivotal.

I can't help but think of Rome. The people who lost the kingdom were still called Romans but they were nothing like the people who conquered and built the kingdom centuries earlier. They were different in race, culture, and beliefs/morals.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Indeed Ajax..... like all great civilizations before America, it also falls due to the wickedness and corruption of it's people and leaders.

The Founding Fathers said that this government could only last with a moral society, and we now see it going away before our eyes.
When a major party is taken over by the "fringe" of society, socialists/communists/marxists, a party who while still on the Left used to be far more Conservative like most of the country itself was, we know there is a problem.

Time will tell if we are able to fight enough to change the tide, but likely not. We one day will be not much different than the decaying of other modern Western society's.
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