The Great Republican Revolt

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Re: The Great Republican Revolt

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The CCC wrote:If Fascism ever comes to America it won't be with Jackboots and Mein Kopf, but in a 3 piece suit, wrapped in a flag, carrying a Bible.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ ... ues-voter/


Yep, just like Obama..... and liberals in general.
"Pretending" to be True Blue Americans, but all the while, doing almost everything they can and say against those values.
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The CCC wrote:If Fascism ever comes to America it won't be with Jackboots and Mein Kopf, but in a 3 piece suit, wrapped in a flag, carrying a Bible.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ ... ues-voter/

I think your point was missed. :cool:
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subgenius wrote:The perpetuation of stereotypes makes for lousy reading and forms a weak foundation for a good argument.

The revolution of "class" is occurring irrelevant of party affiliation.


'All white people are Republicans' is a stereotype. But when socioeconomic trends happen, I don't think it's wrong to examine them.

The article talks White, middle-aged, middle-class people being angry and pessimistic about our country:

When ajax18 wrote:
When Obama was elected over Romney the second time..... I knew the great American experiment was finally over, or at least a major blow that it may never come back from, that the end just might be near.


ldsfaqs answered:

I can't help but agree. The election of 2012 was pivotal.

I can't help but think of Rome. The people who lost the kingdom were still called Romans but they were nothing like the people who conquered and built the kingdom centuries earlier. They were different in race, culture, and beliefs/morals.


I think this is exactly the sentiment the article is talking about. So if you want to complain about stereotypes, talk to the people who act like them.

Our country is certainly becoming more divided:

Politics was becoming more central to Americans’ identities in the 21st century than it ever was in the 20th. Would you be upset if your child married a supporter of a different party from your own? In 1960, only 5 percent of Americans said yes. In 2010, a third of Democrats and half of Republicans did. Political identity has become so central because it has come to overlap with so many other aspects of identity: race, religion, lifestyle. In 1960, I wouldn’t have learned much about your politics if you told me that you hunted. Today, that hobby strongly suggests Republican loyalty. Unmarried? In 1960, that indicated little. Today, it predicts that you’re a Democrat, especially if you’re also a woman.


To me, that's a big difference: an unraveling of the unwritten compact between the two parties that said the opposition was 'the loyal opposition' and not the enemy. No doubt people on both sides believe that it is justified, but that doesn't negate the fact that our political divides in this country change. Examining why that happens is not a bad thing.
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Breitbart quoted the same article from David Frum. They went on to explain that while Republican donor class is running the show, they're not in step with the views of the majority of Republican voters. Even I didn't know Trey Gowdy is an amnesty guy.

According to Pew, 92 percent of the GOP electorate—and 83 percent of the American electorate as a whole—would like to see future immigration growth curbed rather than increased. The polling data suggests that Gowdy, Rubio, and Ryan’s support for higher rates of foreign worker importations places them far outside the mainstream of Republican thought. Yet despite the data, one hill operative put it to Breitbart News thusly: “The clique running the show in Congress are the Ryan-Rubio radical Republicans.”

As Rush Limbaugh warned earlier this year, with Rubio in the White House and Paul Ryan as Speaker, in the “first 12-to-18 months, the donor-class agenda is implemented, including amnesty and whatever else they want.”

Breitbart News asked Gowdy several questions about his endorsement and the expected impact a President Rubio would have on the nation’s immigration policies. Gowdy’s office has not responded.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... spotlight/
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Donald Trump is still victorious even if he doesn't get the nomination. If it were up to the establishment we wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration, our trade deficit with China, or the daily threat of radical Islam. They wouldn't be doing anything in the interests of conservatives either.


Not really. Immigration was already a topic of debate among Republicans before Trump entered into the Presidential race.

Not on anyone’s mind? For years, immigration has been the subject of near-constant, often bitter argument within the GOP. But it is true that Trump has brought the debate to a new place — first, with his announcement speech, about whether Mexican migrants are really rapists, and now with the somewhat more nuanced Trump plan.

Much of it — visa tracking, E-Verify, withholding funds from sanctuary cities — predates Trump. Even building the Great Wall is not particularly new. (I, for one, have been advocating that in this space since 2006.) Dominating the discussion, however, are his two policy innovations: (a) abolition of birthright citizenship and (b) mass deportation.

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Last Sunday, Trump told NBC’s Chuck Todd that all illegal immigrants must leave the country. Although once they’ve been kicked out, we will let “the good ones” back in. On its own terms, this is crackpot. Wouldn’t you save a lot just on Mayflower moving costs if you chose the “good ones” first — before sending SWAT teams to turf families out of their homes, loading them on buses, and dumping them on the other side of the Rio Grande?

Less frivolously, it is estimated by the conservative American Action Forum that mass deportation would take about 20 years and cost about $500 billion for all the police, judges, lawyers, and enforcement agents — and bus drivers! — needed to expel 11 million people. This would all be merely ridiculous if it weren’t morally obscene. Forcibly evict 11 million people from their homes? It can’t happen. It shouldn’t happen. And, of course, it won’t ever happen. But because it’s the view of the Republican front-runner, every other candidate is now required to react. So instead of debating border security, guest-worker programs, and sanctuary cities — where Republicans are on firm moral and political ground — they are forced into a debate about a repulsive fantasy.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... rauthammer




Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ws/387004/







As Rush Limbaugh warned earlier this year, with Rubio in the White House and Paul Ryan as Speaker, in the “first 12-to-18 months, the donor-class agenda is implemented, including amnesty and whatever else they want.”


Senator Rubio is Not a supporter of amnesty.

"If you haven't been here very long, or you're a criminal, you will be deported," Rubio told NPR's Morning Edition. "Otherwise, you will have to come forward, pass the background check, learn English, pay a fine, because you violated the law, start paying taxes, and you'll get a work permit. And that's all you're going to have for at least a decade."


http://www.npr.org/2015/11/11/455602129 ... itizenship
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Re: The Great Republican Revolt

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Senator Rubio is Not a supporter of amnesty.


I don't trust him to enforce the border. I'm not sure I trust any of them to get this done, but Senator Rubio is weak on the issue to say the least. He admitted that his views on immigration are not popular within his party.
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Re: The Great Republican Revolt

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Our country is certainly becoming more divided:


Yes, Our country is becoming more Polarized, and we can basically see that by comparing the 1980 Presidential Election results to the 2012 Presidential Election by States.

1980 Presidential Election:

1. Massachusetts, 0.15% (Reagan)
2. Tennessee, 0.29% (Reagan)
3. Arkansas, 0.61% (Reagan)
4. Alabama, 1.30% (Reagan)
5. Mississippi, 1.32% (Reagan)
6. Kentucky, 1.46% (Reagan)
7. South Carolina, 1.53%
8. Hawaii, 1.90% (Carter)
9. North Carolina, 2.12%
10. Delaware, 2.33% (Carter)
11. New York, 2.67% (Carter)
12. Maryland, 2.96% (Carter)
13. Maine, 3.36% (Reagan)
14. Minnesota, 3.94% (Carter)


2012 Presidential Election:

1. Florida, 0.88% (Obama)
2. North Carolina, 2.04% (Romney)
3. Ohio, 2.98% (Obama)
4. Virginia, 3.87% (Obama)
5. Colorado, 5.37% (Obama)
6. Pennsylvania, 5.39% (Obama)
7. New Hampshire, 5.58% (Obama)
8. Iowa, 5.81% (Obama)


There were a lot more Close States contests back in 1980 than recently in 2012.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
The CCC wrote:If Fascism ever comes to America it won't be with Jackboots and Mein Kopf, but in a 3 piece suit, wrapped in a flag, carrying a Bible.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/ ... ues-voter/


Yep, just like Obama..... and liberals in general.
"Pretending" to be True Blue Americans, but all the while, doing almost everything they can and say against those values.



Obama got criticized for not wearing a flag pin and for being a secret Muslim...

No RNC candidate would be caught dead without a flag pin and would never be accused of being a non Christian (oh the humanity).
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Re: The Great Republican Revolt

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All true blue 'Murricans show they love this country by wearing an American flag pin that was probably made in China....
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