The Truth About The Crusades..... Defensive response or...

[_ldsfaqs]

.... evil agressor's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ilFbbk9jw4

The Crusades is often used by Atheists as a "catch all"..... "see, Christians aren't so "good" in history, they did the Crusades."
The problem is, that's not exactly the truth. While it's true there was bad done by Christians, the Crusades were in direct response to Muslim Agreession when they finally had the power and unity to stand against it, as well as to both unite various country's and be able to confront various country's. Further important, is this was War, thus not everyone who engaged in the war was a "faithful" Christian. It's little different than especially the Catholic Church today. Many claim to be Catholic, yet they bearly even if at all attend a Catholic Church once a year, thus it's their "heritage", not per se their values, and the same existed back then. So, not all the atrocities can be claimed to have been commited by "Christians" especially when many of them were specifically banned by the Pope to do so, yet they engaged in such anyway.

I post this video here, even though it's more political, because most here are anti-religion atheists, so it has to do with Christianity, it's values, and thus also Mormonism.
The first video while it doesn't analysis much the Crusades itself, it does focus on the overall "context" of what actually created the Crusades, and that was Muslim aggression and abuse. It should be noted that Islam has been and is doing the same today and Western Civilization is allowing it to happen, save a "little" by War (though it's mostly Russia), and almost not at all by not controlling "Immigration".

These two videos are more specific to the Crusades themselves.
The first is by a Liberal.....
The second is by someone who actually knows the history of the Crusades, and he entirely debunks the Liberal video.
This shows well how liberals as well as Atheists/Anti-religionists don't judge things by the full truth, and don't tell the full truth.

The Crusades - Pilgrimage or Holy War?: Crash Course World History #15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0zudTQelzI

DEBUNKED: The Crusades - Pilgrimage or Holy War?: Crash Course World History #15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLBws-4kzG8

Recommend watching the other videos he recommends of this toward the end of the video also, but especially the last one.
It shows how vital the Crusades were for both preserving and creating Western Civilization, values, Democracy, Freedom, Capitalism, Art, Diversity, etc. and America itself.

How the Crusades Saved Europe and America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjUFBYEzqQ

[_Symmachus]

Do you get all of your historical information and analysis from Youtube, or do you sometimes go to the History Channel for the really tough stuff?

[_ldsfaqs]

How bought actually watching the videos if you have an interest in the Crusades and the truth and THEN commenting on them if you have a problem with them or otherwise, instead of just resorting to the normal "personal attacks" bigotry being all you people 99% of the time know how to do?

I posted a properly supported post, now if you have nothing useful to say pro or con, maybe don't open your mouth?

And tell me.... since when do "videos" not contain truth, history, arguments, views, etc., especially when I'm including both sides?
by the way, I also know you didn't actually watch any of them given how long after I posted the thread and you posted.

[_Lemmie]

by the way, I also know you didn't actually watch any of them given how long after I posted the thread and you posted.

It's interesting you would say that, ldsfaqs, because it's also clear you have the time but for some reason you refuse to support your posts on other threads.

What is there to be gained by trashing your reputation further and further with each avoided question?

You could start here with requests to you for facts:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40417

[_Symmachus]

How bought actually watching the videos if you have an interest in the Crusades and the truth and THEN commenting on them if you have a problem with them or otherwise, instead of just resorting to the normal "personal attacks" bigotry being all you people 99% of the time know how to do?

Because Youtube videos aren't very reliable sources of historical information; do you have good reason why should I waste my time with it?

by the way, I also know you didn't actually watch any of them given how long after I posted the thread and you posted.

Good detective work. Explain to me the difficulty in reconstructing Urban II's famous speech (thus showing that you know enough about the topic to be able to judge decent historical work from Youtube trash), then I'll take time to watch your videos.

[_canpakes]

This shows well how liberals as well as Atheists/Anti-religionists don't judge things by the full truth, and don't tell the full truth.

Yes, of course.

[_Chap]

This is off-topic.

Yeah, I get that it relates to Christianity, and Mormons claim to be Christians. But Mormons also play baseball. Does that mean that a thread about Babe Ruth is on-topic?

We have been through this already with hagoth7 and 9/11 conspiracy theories. This is a forum about Mormonism, and at least some specifically Mormon connection is surely needed to qualify a post. I mean, has any President of the Church urged Mormons to launch a 'crusade', and been criticized for it? If ldsfaqs can find such an example, he might justify posting this thread in this forum. Otherwise not, surely?

Why does this matter? It matters because a board like this, very lightly moderated, could easily become overwhelmed by a particular kind of obsessive crank who has a desperate need to get people to see The Truth that the Lizard People are hiding from us, but would get thrown off any other board (and probably already has been).

[_The CCC]

The Muslims controlled the spice routes to the Orient. Christians wanted those spices at a cheaper price. The rest is as they say history.

[_ldsfaqs]

The Muslims controlled the spice routes to the Orient. Christians wanted those spices at a cheaper price. The rest is as they say history.

Wow..... one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen on something that is well documented history.
You people never sease to disappoint the fantasy's you create in your minds to "explain" everything away.

[_The CCC]

The Muslims controlled the spice routes to the Orient. Christians wanted those spices at a cheaper price. The rest is as they say history.

Wow..... one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen on something that is well documented history.
You people never sease to disappoint the fantasy's you create in your minds to "explain" everything away.

You're an idiot.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_trade