Cliven Bundy Arrested

[_Maksutov]

Uh. Michael Brown got what he deserved. And I'm probably a raging Liberal by anyone's standards these days.

Don't be an asshole, Ajax.

- Doc

I think that both the left and the right have hot and cold running assholes on demand. I don't see where the ideology matters here. Cliven Bundy is a criminal and needs to do time. That's what the "rule of law" is about. If it sparks a lot of discussion about the Constitution and the proper role of government, that's all good. But when people use guns to do their talking for them--whether they're Oathkeepers or Black Panthers--they've crossed from reform into revolution. If you're talking revolution, then you're tearing up that Constitution. If you're tearing up the Constitution, I will never recognize you as a patriot but rather as the enemy of me and my country.

[_ajax18]

You are wrong. I believe in enforcing all laws to the furthest extent of the law.

If this were true we wouldn't have the massive illegal immigration problem we have. We wouldn't be pardoning drug dealers. We wouldn't be concerned that more blacks than whites are being arrested and going to jail. All that would matter is if you broke the law or not what color you are.

[_EAllusion]

Analytics -

Your "side" is racial minorities and every negative stereotype Ajax believes about them. That's why your side can be blamed for anything a black person does.

You can extrapolate this pattern out if you want. Your SIDE believes that having children to collect government welfare checks is a valid career option.

[_The CCC]

You are wrong. I believe in enforcing all laws to the furthest extent of the law.

If this were true we wouldn't have the massive illegal immigration problem we have. We wouldn't be pardoning drug dealers. We wouldn't be concerned that more blacks than whites are being arrested and going to jail. All that would matter is if you broke the law or not what color you are.

I told you what I believe. Not what others do. I've never been in law enforcement, and the only control I have over others is my limited powers of vocal/typing persuasion, and my vote.

[_MissTish]

The complaint filed against Bundy:

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/298981 ... -Bundy-pdf

[_The CCC]

The complaint filed against Bundy:

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/298981 ... -Bundy-pdf

If found guilty on all counts he will be in prison for the rest of him life.

[_Analytics]

Analytics -

Your "side" is racial minorities and every negative stereotype Ajax believes about them. That's why your side can be blamed for anything a black person does.

You can extrapolate this pattern out if you want. Your SIDE believes that having children to collect government welfare checks is a valid career option.

That clears it up. Thanks EA!

[_EAllusion]

[ We wouldn't be concerned that more blacks than whites are being arrested and going to jail. All that would matter is if you broke the law or not what color you are.

Let's say the situation were reversed. Let's say that white people were significantly more likely than blacks to be incarcerated. Further suppose that whites were policed different than blacks in such a way that they were more likely to be suspected of criminal activity. Suppose that white people, for no other reason than being white, were more likely have police looking for criminal activity in their neighborhoods and more likely to be randomly searched by police. Imagine further the fact that this caused more white people to be caught in criminal activity was used to justify this continued discrimination.

Further imagine that once a white person was suspected of a crime, they would be more likely charged by a prosecutor than other races given the same evidence. Imagine further that once charged, a white person was more likely to be found guilty on the given similar evidence. Imagine that once found guilty, a white person was more likely to receive harsher penalties for the same crimes.

Then, once you are done imagining that, try to think of white people growing up in a society where things like having "white" sounding names on an application makes them significantly less likely to be given a job with the exact same qualifications as non-white sounding names.

How would you react to this situation? Bear in mind that you have favorably linked white supremacist essays on this board before answering that question.

[_ajax18]

Young men do get discriminated against when they go to pay for their car insurance. Unfortunately it's a reputation well earned. I personally have never been in an accident nor am I an aggressive driver. But it's my burden to bear for being male. What's your solution, throw a fit and demand that cops set different speed limits for men than women? Or for every ticket the policeman gives a man he has to trump up some false charge on a woman to make it even?

Why are there more men than women in jail EA? Is it due to overpolicing of men or gender bias in the judicial system? Should we say that policing men has been a failure by definition because men are continuing to be incarcerated at a higher rate than women?

The law should be color blind to this. To fight these perceived injustices with reverse racism would be a gross tragedy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I wonder if Beastie would agree that you're a raging liberal. You seemed level headed enough to me at one time. What happened to you?

What happened to me? I have eyeballs. I can see the economic and social trends that have not only happened historically, but can also see where things are headed. Maybe it's because I'm 44 going on 45. Maybe I raised two daughters, and see what they're facing vice what I faced. Maybe it's because I served as a counterintelligence agent, senior NCO, and strategic intelligence analyst for the Army. Maybe it's because I was raised in a blue collar household. Maybe it's because I live in SLC now (for the first time), and see the obvious disparity in wealth and the hold certain families in the valley have on the population through generational opportunity and intermarriage. Maybe I was raised in a faithful Mormon household, and transitioned to an agnostic-atheist-existentialist and realize this is the only life and planet we have and we should do everyone in our power to make them the best we can.

Honestly, I really don't know how to answer your question Ajax because any answer I give is subject to nitpicking and subjectivity.

But I can tell you as a financially sound and retired individual, who just bought a quarter acre in SLC proper, who just purchased a brand new car, and has traveled this world... Those who have wealth seek to keep it at the expense of the many, and that policy only brings poverty and oppression to everyone. Those who share their wealth because they realize no one earns it in a vacuum creates a better society for everyone.

Anyway. At the end of the day I've come to believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We should always look to promote individual liberty, but not at the expense of the many. I believe Democrats understand that. I believe Republicans promote individualism which inevitably leads to oligarchical rule in business and government. It is what it is.

- Doc

Eta: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskAnAmerican/c ... th/czxfkuq