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Some Schmo wrote:

just me wrote:I might prefer a Trump presidency to a Cruz.

*shudder*

It's so weird to think it, but yes, I would prefer Trump too. At least he has a few non-wingnut stances (like healthcare... assuming he means anything he says). Cruz looks like he's got a plan to solidly drive this country to ruin.

Some Schmo wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote:It truly fascinates me how warped the liberal brain is.

Cruz's values, character, etc. is the kind of person, ideology etc. that made America the Greatest, Freest, Wealthiest individually and collectively country to ever be on this planet.
In contrast, liberal values are the failure all through history, and in nearly every country the more they are embraced.

So, it's astounding to me how the liberal can actually somehow think that a man that matches the values, character, ideology and constitutional principles, the values that made America great for the last 300 years, would actually "ruin" America. It's the other way around buddy!

What's fascinating is how blithely you can ignore American/world history, let alone current events. Sorry dude; history is on my side, not yours.

Why don't you point out some "details" of what I said is false instead of just rambling?
The more socialist/communist a country is, the more poor and less free it is. That's a fact.
The Right are the values that founded this country, based in Liberty and the rule of Law, and Capitalism, a.k.a. Libertarianism, Conservatism, and the Free Market.

So, it seems it's you who don't study history and know current country's. Most current country's in various degrees are more socialist and communist. Depending on their degree of have embraced such principles, it's directly correlated to the success and prosperity of those country's. Take EU country's, more socialist but still having a large degree of "right" values and capitalism, they are thus not to poor and still relatively successful, yet none as overall as great as America. As just an example, America has more Millionaires than all country's combined (though if I remember something is happening with China), and the wealth is spread out in America among all classes than anywhere else in the world. Then you take the more socialist and thus communist a country becomes and you have something like Russia, with far more poor and lower classes. Then when a country is near total Leftist it becomes fascist, and so you have country's like Venezuela or more so North Korea.

In contrast, when a country become more on the Right, Conservative and Libertarian and Capitalist, the country and people prospers. Take for example South Korea.... Quality of life starts to improve for all.

So, I understand things well..... Now tell me why your view is superior? Tell me how all these other country's out there are superior to America, ones that have more government, more handouts, etc.? Tell me how that since America has been becoming less free, with more government, more entitlements, etc. thus becoming more socialist, that somehow it's been becoming "better" instead of worse as it actually has been?

I look forward to your great debunking of my words.

ldsfaqs wrote: Take EU country's, more socialist but still having a large degree of "right" values and capitalism, they are thus not to poor and still relatively successful, yet none as overall as great as America.

This is a lie actually. According to the Heritage Foundation, two EU countries are greater than America, the UK and Ireland. Most about tie with America in the "mostly free" section. There are only five countries ranked as "free", thus they are in a class about America and are greater than America. Try carrying a gun in any of those countries except maybe Switzerland.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Gadianton wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote: Take EU country's, more socialist but still having a large degree of "right" values and capitalism, they are thus not to poor and still relatively successful, yet none as overall as great as America.

This is a lie actually. According to the Heritage Foundation, two EU countries are greater than America, the UK and Ireland. Most about tie with America in the "mostly free" section. There are only five countries ranked as "free", thus they are in a class about America and are greater than America. Try carrying a gun in any of those countries except maybe Switzerland.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

I'm talking overall quality from everything to freedom, investment, wealth, wealth spread around, military, infrastructure, etc...... Yes, other country's are beating America in some things and even further in others, especially now that the U.S. is becoming more Socialist.

So ya, I know that we are seriously falling in a lot of areas.

ldsfaqs wrote:I'm talking overall quality from everything to freedom, investment, wealth, wealth spread around, military, infrastructure, etc...... Yes, other country's are beating America in some things and even further in others, especially now that the U.S. is becoming more Socialist.

So ya, I know that we are seriously falling in a lot of areas.

Seriously. What in the “F” would you know, first hand about any of those things other than failing at being a Marine?

- You're not free. You self-contain due to poor lifestyle choices.

- You certainly haven't invested.

- You have no wealth and depend on Liberals to provide you with a basic income, food, and housing.

- Wealth is relative I suppose. But you certain don't know anything about creating it.

- The only 'spreading around of wealth' you understand is what you can get from Liberal policies. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

- I'm certain you've never been involved with any sort of major infrastructure projects from planning, funding, to implementation.

- You certainly have next to no firsthand knowledge of other 'socialist' countries, so why do you presume to know anything about them when you yourself are so knowledge poor?

Why do you run your stupid mouth so much? Why are you so cocksure of yourself when you've failed at virtually everything you've done? Why in the “F” do you think anyone would take anything you say seriously?

You're literally a scooting example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

- Doc

ldsfaqs wrote:
Why don't you point out some "details" of what I said is false instead of just rambling?
The more socialist/communist a country is, the more poor and less free it is. That's a fact.
The Right are the values that founded this country, based in Liberty and the rule of Law, and Capitalism, a.k.a. Libertarianism, Conservatism, and the Free Market.

So, it seems it's you who don't study history and know current country's. Most current country's in various degrees are more socialist and communist. Depending on their degree of have embraced such principles, it's directly correlated to the success and prosperity of those country's. Take EU country's, more socialist but still having a large degree of "right" values and capitalism, they are thus not to poor and still relatively successful, yet none as overall as great as America. As just an example, America has more Millionaires than all country's combined (though if I remember something is happening with China), and the wealth is spread out in America among all classes than anywhere else in the world. Then you take the more socialist and thus communist a country becomes and you have something like Russia, with far more poor and lower classes. Then when a country is near total Leftist it becomes fascist, and so you have country's like Venezuela or more so North Korea.

In contrast, when a country become more on the Right, Conservative and Libertarian and Capitalist, the country and people prospers. Take for example South Korea.... Quality of life starts to improve for all.

So, I understand things well..... Now tell me why your view is superior? Tell me how all these other country's out there are superior to America, ones that have more government, more handouts, etc.? Tell me how that since America has been becoming less free, with more government, more entitlements, etc. thus becoming more socialist, that somehow it's been becoming "better" instead of worse as it actually has been?

I look forward to your great debunking of my words.

Lol, where to even start with this barely readable poorly thought out keyboard vomit. As with most subjects, your grasp of global economics, creation and distribution of wealth and what makes a country “superior” are so juvenile and ignorant its difficult to actually respond to your post. You obviously have not spent much time outside of america and you have absolutely no concept of how global wealth distribution (and the factors that affect it) work. “as just an example…”:

"As just an example, America has more Millionaires than all country's combined (though if I remember something is happening with China), and the wealth is spread out in America among all classes than anywhere else in the world. “

This is completely meaningless to your point considering the US is the 3rd largest population in the world. Lets look at a more valuable stat - # of millionaires per capita http://www.slideshare.net/TheMotleyFool/the-10-countries-with-the-most-millionaires:

10 – taiwan
9 – Italy - not at all socialist
8 – germany - not at all socialist
7 – france- not at all socialist
6 – canada- not at all socialist
5 – UK- not at all socialist
4 – australia- not at all socialist
3 – USA - super dooper free....merica, f$^& yea!
2 – Sweden - not at all socialist
1 – Switzerland- not at all socialist

Yes, that is a list full of super not socialist countries…Oh, and all the citizens in most of these very successful countries benefit from universal health care systems, except super awesome highest “quality of everything” USA . Not only that, but even in the US, the states with highest per capita millionaires (and total millionaires – 663,000 in california) are quite liberal. Texas, the poster child for red state success, doesn’t even crack the top 25 list for per capita millionaires by state.

Overall quality of our military: We have one of the best militaries in the world….BECAUSE WE BOUGHT ONE OF THE BEST F$%^#$% MILITARIES…who gives a S$&#$? China spends 1/3 of that on their military. Russia, less than 1/6th of our $600 billion budget on their military and are ranked #2. What an idiotic thing to gloat about.

Overall quality of our infrastructure: Im not even sure how to respond to this... Again, your ignorance and lack of any experience outside the craphole towns you have lived in makes you look like the jingoistic halfwit that you are - http://www.businessinsider.com/wef-countries-best-infrastructure-world-2015-9 – notice how some of these same “socialist" countries are on both of the lists linked…'merica!!!!

Jesus, get out of your basement and see the world. The US has some great qualities but many countries do a lot of things much better than we do WHILE managing to provide a usable safety net for the less fortunate and universal health care. Honestly, I’m not actually all that interested in a conversation with you on this subject as I don’t think I can even begin to relate to your ignorance of the world outside your basement and your right-wing rag driven xenophobia. You embarrass me... but 'mericans like you are a great topic of dinner conversation as I meet with clients across the world.



You just aren't that bright and your understanding of every subject you choose to comment on is ridiculously flimsy...Please, never call yourself an expert, of anything, ever again...you are delusional.

ldsfaqs wrote:...especially now that the U.S. is becoming more Socialist.

Could you please name one way the US is becoming more socialist? It's the Super Bowl halftime show, isn't it?

by the way, I answered your post in the thread in which you originally posted it.