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EAllusion wrote:.... It turns out women are much more likely to face discrimination based on weight than men in hiring decisions. Like, nearly twice as likely. You are dead wrong on this front. ...... And, it depressingly turns out, the morbidly obese of both sexes face rather severe discrimination in hiring decisions. This remains true in high skill jobs that require extensive education and low skill jobs just the same. ....

..... This sucks. Your sense that you've got it worse as a man is the total opposite of reality, though. However bad you think you've got it, just know that a woman in the same situation is, on average, even worse off.

You also have a hunch that women are more likely to discriminate based on appearance than men because they are a bunch of vain bitches. Why don't you search google scholar and find out if that hunch is borne out by the data?


1. I never said they didn't. I was speaking of women in front offices hiring front office people, in contrast to men who don't care as much about a fat man.
I also made clear that fat people in general suffer from hiring discrimination and that fat women also experience it when especially being hired by a man because the man will more often than not pick the more attractive candidate.
Strawman.

2. Can't be dead wrong about something I didn't argue.
Falsehood.

3. Yes, said as much....

4. Don't agree. Fat people at the lower skill end are far more tolerated. But, it does occur still certainly.

5. I never said "I have it worse as a man"..... Stop putting words into my mouth. I did say when it comes to women who hire for office work, then yes, as a fat man I have a harder time being hired, in contrast to a man that might hire a fat man for office work.
Strawman

6. I don't think I agree with that..... Fat Man or Fat Woman..... I think fat women are generally far more excepted in the work place and hired compared to fat men. One exception might be higher skilled jobs where people tend to hire more professional looking people, so skinny is the rule. Office jobs for example are easy to get for fat women. Fat men often end up losers at home sitting on the couch/computer on welfare etc. because of it, while very few fat women end up losers on a couch watching TV etc. and don't work unless they have children which would be a more common exception to that.

7. I never said that. I said a possible reason why OFFICE WOMEN might discriminate more against a fat man but not a skinny man is because women in general focus more on appearances to the public, so a fat man doesn't look at good as a fat women might which they would potentially tolerate more. Though there is likely some discrimination toward fat women also by office women for the front office.

Anyway.....
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Well, this whole thread has gotten very interesting. :eek:

I do want to set something straight. Electricians can get hired by companies as full time employees. They can also be self-employed and subcontract out for projects. I have no idea the percentage of each. But if you are a sub you better put yourself out there to get jobs. The work isn't going to come knocking on your door.

In addition, most of the guys that work with my husband are overweight and many of them are over 50.

The main guy we hire to work on stuff for us has a prosthetic leg, tattoos, beard and some extra weight. Just imagine a biker dude with a prosthetic leg.
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Lemmie wrote:
ldsfaqsless wrote:I'm a "misogynist" when I say women in Office work can be misogynist against fat men

Women are 'misogynist' against you?

Do you know what the word misogynist means?

Are you aware that it is a noun, not a verb?

Please look up stereotyping. You continue to define groups of people by a single characteristic (gender, political party, religious affiliation), and then you attribute to that group as a whole various behaviors, characters, mindsets, etc. based on your limited and bigoted assumptions and on your biased interpretation of (I'm guessing largely imaginary) anecdotal events.

So yes, don't dig yourself in deeper.


Man you people.... :rolleyes:

1. Never said anything of the sort.... I simply stated a fact that office women are less likely to hire a fat man compared to a man hiring the same person for the same work. Men don't care about looks as much as women, also a simple fact. Thus, a possible reason why some jobs women may not hire a fat man, but will hire a skinny one and will also potentially hire a fat women though also a little less likely.

2. Sure, then I meant the one for men.

3. Behaviors are behaviors, "I" don't do anything. I observe what is and what happens. I stated what happens, end of story.
You believe whatever you want.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Man you people.... :rolleyes:

1. Never said anything of the sort.... I simply stated a fact that office women are less likely to hire a fat man compared to a man hiring the same person for the same work. Men don't care about looks as much as women, also a simple fact. Thus, a possible reason why some jobs women may not hire a fat man, but will hire a skinny one.


The problem is that none of this is fact. Just because you believe it does not mean statistics back you up. If you have a stat that backs you up, please post it. Otherwise, we are going to have to go with the facts we all have knowledge of which match up with what EAllusion posted.
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ster·e·o·type

noun

1. a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.
"the stereotype of the woman as the carer"

synonyms: standard/conventional image, received idea, cliché, hackneyed idea, formula

"the stereotype of the rancher"
https://www.google.com/#q=stereotype

faqs wrote:...a fact that office women are less likely to hire a fat man compared to a man hiring the same person for the same work

Not a fact. Stereotype.
faqs wrote:because the man will more often than not pick the more attractive candidate.

Stereotype.
faqs wrote:Fat people at the lower skill end are far more tolerated

Stereotype.
faqs wrote:Office jobs for example are easy to get for fat women

Stereotype.
faqs wrote:Fat men often end up losers at home sitting on the couch/computer on welfare etc. because of it, while very few fat women end up losers on a couch watching TV etc. and don't work unless they have children

Stereotype.
faqs wrote:because women in general focus more on appearances to the public,

Stereotype.
faqs wrote:Men don't care about looks as much as women, also a simple fact.

Stereotype.
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It's not a stereotype you dorks, it's called an "observation" from experience.

I've held over 30 jobs in my life.... and many more interviews applications etc.
So, I know what I'm talking about. Your ignorance is not mine or other stupidity you try to apply such as misogyny or stereotyping.

Propensity's are also facts, not simply stereotypes.
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Lol, yes faps, the only reason a female wouldn't hire you is because you are fat...it has nothing to do with the fact that you are a barely literate, unemployed, uneducated halfwit who leaves an easy to follow trail of idiocy across the Internet.

I'm a man and I also wouldn't hire you...ever.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
I've held over 30 jobs in my life.... and many more interviews applications etc.


Actually, this means you haven't been able to hold a job. If you started working at age 16 and are now around 46 that is more than 1 job per year! Not sure if you started working at 16 or if you worked during college or how long you were in the Marines, but this is a terrible work history.

What is the longest you've spent at one job? What is the shortest?
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ldsfaqs,

It's nice what you agree with and disagree with and all, but I was just summarizing the state of the research. I spent about an hour reading various studies for my own edification after I was inspired by your post. I was reporting what is the case, no what you wish were the case or what you believe based on your intuitions derived from anecdotal experience and prejudices.

You want to clarify that you are talking exclusively about office jobs. So, by implication, overweight women must face massive discrimination in non-office related jobs. Overall, they face so much more discrimination then men that in order for the trend to be the opposite in white collar work, man-o-man must the discrimination be bad in other sectors of the economy. Unfortunately, I didn't read a study that drilled down to something as specific as "office-related" work. However, I did read several that used the category "professional," which is a very close proxy for office-related. In that setting, women were even more likely to be the recipients of weight-based discrimination than they are in general. Ditto for some studies that looked at specific office-related jobs like receptionist.

The self-report data on this phenomenon is through the roof, but, not knowing much about the field, I tried to temper that with studies that had other forms of discrimination measurement.

Do you think women spending more time on personal appearance due to cultural expectations might have something to do with people that aren't women judging them based on their appearance? You think, maybe, that is possible?
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Schreech:

Not even if he paid me to.
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