Native Americans respond to destruction by Bundy militants

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Native Americans respond to destruction by Bundy militants

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Some of the worst ignorance and arrogance displayed by the Oregon "occupiers" of Malheur Wildlife Refuge was the callous disrespect of Native American artifacts and sites. LaVoy Finicum in particular was one of these crass idiots, uploading video of himself rifling through boxes in the refuge's archives.

The refuge and the local Northern Paiutes had a good relationship, something these unlearned knuckleheads knew nothing about since Finicum was braying about "returning things to the rightful owners" as if the refuge had stolen the artifacts. During the stand-off, it was the occupiers the Native Americans were concerned about as potential thieves.

Now with the discovery of the trench of feces (there are toilet facilities in the refuge's buildings) comes more shock. The full article, "It's So Disgusting’ Malheur Militia Dug Latrine Trenches Among Sacred Artifacts," can be found in the link from Indian Country Today Media Network, but I'll quote most of it here:

Disturbingly, [U.S. Attorney Billy] Williams writes, “Occupiers appear to have excavated two large trenches and an improvised road on or adjacent to grounds containing sensitive artifacts. At least one of these trenches contains human feces.”

The refuge was once part of the 1.8 million acre Malheur Indian reservation which belonged to several Northern Paiute bands including the nearby Burns Paiute tribe.The buildings the militants occupied demanding the “return” of federal lands to ranchers, miners and loggers contained over 4,000 artifacts and maps of graves and other culturally significant sites on the refuge.

“That whole area is an artifact area,” Jarvis Kennedy, Burns Paiute tribal council member told ICTMN, “If you just walk across there you’ll see chips on the ground where someone made an arrowhead. It’s everywhere.”

When asked what he thought of the latrines Kennedy said, “Just see this…this is their mindset—not really caring about anything. For them to do that in that area is so disgusting.”

He doesn’t think the militants weren’t simply clueless either, “I think they didn’t care. We did our press conference. We took our stand. They knew.”



“We want to ensure our archaeology department is involved in the investigation,” Burns Paiute tribal chairwoman Charlotte Roderique insists, “Praying there hasn’t been too much damage, but definitely concerned about the disturbance of any remains or anything like that. Because this the cruelest thing anyone can do.”
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The tribe, itself, will be holding a day of spiritual prayers to cleanse the land. They will send out a notification via tribal newspapers and by word of mouth for others to come and pray with the Paiute people. “We want to cleanse the land,” Roderique says, “and not disturb animal life or the spirits of our people.”


[Burns Paiute tribal chairwoman Charlotte Roderique] noted how the occupation has brought her tribe together and even members of the community who have historically been at odds with the tribe.

“At one of the town meetings, right at the beginning, one of the gentlemen who owns a big ranching outfit addressed the meeting and said that his family had been ranching for 5 generations in this area. The first generation was wiped out by fires during the Bannock War, but he said, ‘We’ve worked, we sit at the table with tribal people and make decisions on fish and wildlife and the environment and way to control noxious weeds and I have no animosity toward the tribe.’ I think we all have gotten past the ‘I hate white people/I hate Indians’ interaction.

However, she has received threatening letters, emails and texts from Bundy supporters which she immediately forwards to the FBI. “If it has a Colorado prefix,” Roderique says, “ I can be sure it’s one of the militia people here on their cell phone.”


And finally,

Although, no one in the tribe is happy with the late militant spokesman LaVoy Finicum’s death after he ran a police blockade and charged police while armed they do wonder if it is tied to his handling of their artifacts in the Youtube video he put out criticizing the way the tribe’s artifacts were stored.

“He [Finicum} had the bag of flints he was waving them and the next day he is dead,” Roderique told ICTMN. “He should never have picked those up and disturbed those spirits who made them. If it is flint arrowheads, someone who was a warrior or was a good hunter—those are the kind who can come back and do these things.”

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Some earlier Native responses I posted can be found at this link: viewtopic.php?p=950407#p950407
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This is my photo of one of my favorite petroglyphs before someone used it as target practice. This is just the greatest little guy holding a shield in one hand and a weapon in the other with an elaborate out fit. It has now been shattered in twenty or so places and is not recognizable any longer. Anthropomorphic images are very rare in this area, so it is doubly evil.

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It makes me angry, but more than that it makes me sad that people could be so ignorant.
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I feel you. I loved that last bit in the article. It lifted a tawdry suicide-by-cop onto a whole other level. A level someone needs to make art about.
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Plus, I should say, I think the whole shenanigans are a complete embarrassment to Mormons. Both to the institution (which is one thing) and the members (which are another thing). I know the church publicly condemned these law breaking toy tyrants, but I wish it went more than just a press release. All these poseurs need excommunication.
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You guys are so funny.....

They did what they did in the middle of know where, where there was nothing, and simply because there might be a few "arrowheads" in a particular spot then you all feel you need to LIE and misrepresent what they actually did, as if they harmed some great historical site, just because some artifacts might be in the area.

Truly gullible you people are.... in attributing things and not seeing how they word things that gives a false impression.
If you all actually went there, you would see it's all a bunch of lying crap that you are falling for.
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ldsfaqs wrote:You guys are so funny.....

They did what they did in the middle of know where, where there was nothing, and simply because there might be a few "arrowheads" in a particular spot then you all feel you need to LIE and misrepresent what they actually did, as if they harmed some great historical site, just because some artifacts might be in the area.

Truly gullible you people are.... in attributing things and not seeing how they word things that gives a false impression.
If you all actually went there, you would see it's all a bunch of lying crap that you are falling for.

Ffaaqqs, YOU are not paying attention, YOU had this question asked and answered for YOU weeks ago.

LDSFAQS, READ BLIXA'S POST BELOW.
Blixa, Feb 5, 2016 wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote: There is no sign of them "damaging" the property or otherwise.


I posted this before, but it speaks to the issue of "property damage." From Indian Country Today, "Oregon Militia Nuts Hold Paiute History, Artifacts Hostage"

Some highlights:

"The tribe is demanding federal action under both the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 and a "protection against bad men” provision in the treaty the tribe signed with the United States in 1868."

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"Bundy supporters have damaged Native American archaeological sites before, most notably, when they drove ATVs through a canyon trail in Utah in protest of protected federal lands trampling the ruins of homes belonging to the ancient Puebloans. Also, the Southern Paiute tribes in Nevada have accused the Bundy family of defacing ancient Paiute petroglyphs in Gold Butte. Incidentally, Southern Paiute community members held a rally last week in Las Vegas in support of the Burns Paiute tribe.

“I understand they took a bulldozer and built a line around the refuge headquarters,” Roderique said. She notes that in the past when a water line was put in at the refuge the tribe’s cultural resources department oversaw the work done to make sure no artifacts or sites were disturbed. “We have a good working relationship with them."

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"Carla Burnside, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's archaeologist at the refuge, has told the tribe that she has seen pictures in news reports of militants sitting in her office, even at her desk with files open that contain sensitive information about archaeological sites belonging to the tribe.

This past week, the Burns Paiute tribal council passed a resolution to formally recognize Malheur Lake and its shoreline as “Sacred Places and Traditional Cultural Properties” of the tribe and cited the tribe’s own “Aboriginal Lands Protection Policy” which covers “the tribe's aboriginal territory beyond current Trust lands (Resolution 2006-12) which defines cultural resources as: ‘any material objects of human life or activities that are of cultural, historical, archaeological, sacred, spiritual, or traditional interest to the tribe. This shall include all remains, sites, objects, structures, artifacts, implements, plants, animals, and locations within the tribe's aboriginal territory.’”

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"Roderique told ICTMN that it is not only title to the land that matters to her but the plants and wildlife on the land some of which are going extinct. “We are the Wadatika people. The plants we are named after grow on the banks of the Harney and Malheur lake. If they put cattle in there [Bundy has called for the land to be returned to private ranchers] they will destroy these plants.”


And this article talks about the ignorant arrogance of LaVoy Finicum and others rifling through Native American artifact archives:

"The militiamen stationed at a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon are now rummaging through artifacts and documents of the Paiute tribe, sparking outrage among local Native Americans whose ancestors originally occupied the land.

LaVoy Finicum, one of the leaders of the armed protesters occupying the Malheur national wildlife refuge, posted a video of himself inside a government building looking through cardboard boxes of papers and other items associated with the local tribe – and inviting Paiute leaders to meet with the militia and reclaim their belongings.

“We want to make sure these things are returned to their rightful owner,” said Finicum, who recently helped destroy a US Fish and Wildlife Service fence and remove cameras that he claimed the government was using for surveillance.
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“I feel disrespected that they’re even out there,” said Jarvis Kennedy, the tribal council’s sergeant-at-arms. Kennedy said he was too upset to watch all of Finicum’s video. “It’s like me going through their drawers at their house.”

Tribe leaders and federal officials say the refuge stores confidential documents and thousands of historic artifacts, such as baskets, spears, tools and beads. The refuge is also home to Paiute burial grounds, making the militia’s recent decision to pave a road through the refuge particularly alarming.

“I could go to the Bundys where his grandparents are buried,” Kennedy said. “How would they feel if I drove over their grave and went through their heirlooms?”

In his video, Finicum said that he was showing how the wildlife refuge has done a poor job maintaining the artifacts and keeping storage rooms clean. “This needs to be taken care of, and so we’re reaching out to the Paiute people in the sincerest manner as we can,” he said on camera. “Let’s make sure that we take care of the heritage of the Native American people.”

Added militia member Blaine Cooper: “The rightful owners need to come back and claim their belongings.”

But Kennedy said the tribe has a good relationship with refuge officials and noted that the Paiute people refuse to communicate with militia leaders or visit the occupation.

“I’m not going to give them the satisfaction of meeting with them,” Charlotte Rodrique, chairwoman of the Burns Paiute tribe, told the Guardian last week.

Kennedy noted that the militiamen have had no trouble leaving and returning to the refuge and feared one of them might damage or steal their artifacts and documents. “All the stuff they are doing out there, it’s like a crime scene,” he said. “Once this is done, we’ll see what’s missing.”

There's also an interesting anecdote about the militia asking the Piautes for use of their facilities to hold a meeting after the county refused them access to public buildings in town (found in the first article I linked).

“They tried to ask us for our gathering center and our facility was booked up. We just kind of laughed and said they want to use our 'savage' facilities?”

Roderique was referencing a “Harney County Committee of Safety” website made by supporters of the takeover who profess to exist “to secure the property and lives of the association members from threats from the savages.”

Savages?

This is what it says on their website:

"Prior to the Revolutionary War, Committees of Safety existed in the frontier or wilderness areas where the government did not provide any troops or other protection against Indian attacks. The community got together and built stockades, enrolled militia, commissioned officers, and set watches, all to secure the property and lives of the association members from threats from the savages."

Yep. Native Americans referred to as savages. But yeah, these clowns are really interested in protecting "the heritage of the Native American people."
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ldsfaqs wrote:You guys are so funny.....

They did what they did in the middle of know where, where there was nothing, and simply because there might be a few "arrowheads" in a particular spot then you all feel you need to LIE and misrepresent what they actually did, as if they harmed some great historical site, just because some artifacts might be in the area.

Truly gullible you people are.... in attributing things and not seeing how they word things that gives a false impression.
If you all actually went there, you would see it's all a bunch of lying crap that you are falling for.


This just in, from Fox News -

A group of Native Americans angry with local land use policies finally left the Haun's Mill historical site on Wednesday. Authorities who swept the area noted that there had been some damage, including a trench several hundred feet long through the gravesite of some Mormon Pioneers who had been killed during the Haun's Mill conflict. The trench was filled with garbage and human feces. Occupiers also rummaged through family records, possibly removing or destroying a number of them. A painting of Joseph Smith was reported to have had horns drawn on his head, with a note underneath that read, "I like them young!!", and LDS garments were spray painted and placed over statues. Locals did not appear too concerned, stating that there were "just a few garments there".
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canpakes wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:You guys are so funny.....

They did what they did in the middle of know where, where there was nothing, and simply because there might be a few "arrowheads" in a particular spot then you all feel you need to LIE and misrepresent what they actually did, as if they harmed some great historical site, just because some artifacts might be in the area.

Truly gullible you people are.... in attributing things and not seeing how they word things that gives a false impression.
If you all actually went there, you would see it's all a bunch of lying crap that you are falling for.


This just in, from Fox News -

A group of Native Americans angry with local land use policies finally left the Haun's Mill historical site on Wednesday. Authorities who swept the area noted that the had been some damage, including a trench several hundred feet long through the gravesite of some Mormon Pioneers who had been killed during the Haun's Mill conflict. The trench was filled with garbage and human feces. Occupiers also rummaged through family records, possibly removing or destroying a number of them. A painting of Joseph Smith was reported to have had horns drawn on his head, with a note underneath that read, "I like them young!!", and LDS garments were spray painted and placed over statues. Locals did not appear too concerned, stating that there were "just a few garments there".



He didn't read the article. He thought "we" were making arguments. I certainly wasn't. The only one leveling the accusations are the Native tribes people. Who refused to have anything to do with Big Baby Patriots.

Finicum's absurd statement---"Let’s make sure that we take care of the heritage of the Native American people"--aside, notice that the Freeloaders are still not making any connection between Native Americans and the land in question: "Ammon Bundy continues to ignore the Burns Paiute tribe’s connection to land which was never ceded in any treaty to the United States. In custody since January 26, he released a statement on Friday through his lawyer saying, “This land belongs to the people. We must get our government in control and back to benefiting the people.”

Also note at the beginning of the article, "The buildings the militants occupied demanding the “return” of federal lands to ranchers, miners and loggers..." Buildings. Not camping in some undeveloped middle of "know where." Though that garble is kind of the best literalization of what it means to be a know nothing I could think of.
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ldsfaqs wrote:If you all actually went there, you would see it's all a bunch of lying crap that you are falling for.

Well, one thing is for certain. You'll never drag yourself up there to see it, so there's no use in chastising anyone else about that.
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