Ranking the Presidential Candidates

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Re: Ranking the Presidential Candidates

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Res Ipsa wrote:Tough question. From most to least likely, I'd go with something like:

1. Cruz
2. Rubio
3. Kasich
4. Clinton
5. Trump
6. Sanders

Positions 3, 4, and 5 are a really close call for me.


I am a bit surprised that you put Trump up there at #5. Trump is basically anti-science and a denier of Global warming.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tism-ebola

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... 20d91aa753

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/politics/ ... est-thing/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -change-h/

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/16/donal ... on-science
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Tough question. From most to least likely, I'd go with something like:

1. Cruz
2. Rubio
3. Kasich
4. Clinton
5. Trump
6. Sanders

Positions 3, 4, and 5 are a really close call for me.


I agree with everything except Trump at 5. I'm curious why you think Trump is lower than Clinton. I know Hillary can be tough, but I think Trump seems to promise a more muscular foreign policy. The problem is that everything with the Donald is exasperatingly vague.

The one thing I know for sure is that if Trump is elected, we will have the greatest foreign policy in the history of the United States. We are going to have so much great foreign policy we are going to get tired of it, but we're going to keep having the greatest foreign policy anyway, right? Because Trump hires unbelievable people.

And I believe him.

Trump has came out and said he's in favor of torture to send a message - an eye for an eye kind of message. Or maybe more like that dialog from The Untouchables about the Chicago way.

Link to support statement: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/donald-trump-waterboarding-op-ed-usa-today-enhanced-interrogation-techniques-torture/

Link to one of the great dialogs in cinema: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E
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To be honest, I don't accept the premise of the OP either. I think that statesmanship and diplomacy should be our first recourse, but there's a point of balance between "War is not the answer" and "Bomb Iran, bomb, bomb, ...bomb bomb Iran..." Or a spectrum within which there is a risk assessment constantly in play. There are times when the risk of military action is outweighed by the consequences of inaction that are require pragmatism over ideology in my opinion.
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I believe that Governor Kasich is the best choice out of the six Republicans and Democrats still running, but unfortunately, he is not going to win the GOP Nomination. I will very likely be voting for Gary Johnson during the general election. It will mainly be a protest vote.
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cinepro wrote:
Analytics wrote:I happen to have some connections that are Quakers, and I see the following sign in several windows:

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I've come to believe that the single most important consideration for the wellbeing of both America and the rest of the world when choosing the President of the United States is the degree to which he or she understands this truth. Except in the hypothetical event that an enemy nation is attacking the U.S. or an ally with either a conventional army or with nuclear weapons, our army needs to just stay home.



Just so I'm clear, are you saying that if we are attacked by a group that isn't a "nation", or they don't use a "conventional army" or nuclear weapons, then under no circumstances is a military reaction appropriate?


Yes, that is the basic proposition. We absolutely suck at using our overpriced weapons to be the world's policeman, and we would be safer and better off if we were to disarm.

If you are at all interested, I'd suggest you read The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism by Andrew Bacevich to better understand the viewpoint. It's very insightful and readable.
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Re: Ranking the Presidential Candidates

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honorentheos wrote:Trump has came out and said he's in favor of torture to send a message - an eye for an eye kind of message. Or maybe more like that dialog from The Untouchables about the Chicago way.

Link to support statement: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/donald-trump-waterboarding-op-ed-usa-today-enhanced-interrogation-techniques-torture/

Link to one of the great dialogs in cinema: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E


What's more troubling is that Trump is using "we're going to do so much torturing you guys" as an applause line. And it's not just his voters that view that as an applause line. It tells you were the Republican primary voter bloc is at.
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Brackite wrote:I believe that Governor Kasich is the best choice out of the six Republicans and Democrats still running, but unfortunately, he is not going to win the GOP Nomination. I will very likely be voting for Gary Johnson during the general election. It will mainly be a protest vote.


What happened to your support of Marco Rubio?
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Re: Ranking the Presidential Candidates

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ajax18 wrote:
Brackite wrote:I believe that Governor Kasich is the best choice out of the six Republicans and Democrats still running, but unfortunately, he is not going to win the GOP Nomination. I will very likely be voting for Gary Johnson during the general election. It will mainly be a protest vote.


What happened to your support of Marco Rubio?


I don't 'support' Marco Rubio for President anymore mainly because he came out as being too hawkish during the debates. Senator Rubio has come across as very much a neocon during the debates.
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Re: Ranking the Presidential Candidates

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Brackite wrote:I believe that Governor Kasich is the best choice out of the six Republicans and Democrats still running, but unfortunately, he is not going to win the GOP Nomination. I will very likely be voting for Gary Johnson during the general election. It will mainly be a protest vote.

Kasich sure sounds normal, and would likely put the best face on America abroad (out of the GOP candidates, that is), but I fear his policy ideas are just as bad as the rest of field's.
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It is truly a strange day when I agree with Miss Lindsey.
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However he did help recreate this T-Bag monster from Faux News, Limpbowel, and the old John Birch Society.
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