The dude wouldn't even condemn the Palestinians because he's already considering a negotiation with them
That's still a lot more pro-Israel stance than your president made acting under the real first female president, Valerie Jarret of Iran. Good grief, your party can't even say the words radical Islamic terrorism due to fear it might spoil negotiations.
Theldsthinker can't understand why we'd want to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Understanding this view of the left helps make sense of Obama's disastrous Iran deal. Of all the things I'd ever heard a Democrat to criticize Trump, I can't believe you'd pick that he wasn't willing to condemn Palestine, your political bedfellow.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
subgenius wrote:quick question, is the thread title suggesting that morality should be linked to voting?
if the answer is "yes"...then pray tell...what "morality" is to be linked?
How can you vote for someone that refused to read an important DNI report before voting for war? that's f*Celestial Kingdom up!
Well then, this seems to be a question of competence rather than of morality.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Well, apparently today a whole lot of people didn't read your link because it looks like H-bomb is wrapping the nomination up.
- Doc
Or they read it and measured differently
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Well, both campaigns are saying March 15th will basically determines the nomination. Ides of March for someone.
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ajax18 wrote:That's still a lot more pro-Israel stance than your president made acting under the real first female president, Valerie Jarret of Iran. Good grief, your party can't even say the words radical Islamic terrorism due to fear it might spoil negotiations.
Maybe they understand more about negotiations and diplomacy then you. Maybe they understand more about how to work on the problem then you.
Theldsthinker can't understand why we'd want to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Understanding this view of the left helps make sense of Obama's disastrous Iran deal. Of all the things I'd ever heard a Democrat to criticize Trump, I can't believe you'd pick that he wasn't willing to condemn Palestine, your political bedfellow.
I haven't seen anyone show why it is a terrible deal or how it allows them to get a nuke. Something they were going to do without a deal. The US invading them was never a realistic option and it would just make things much worse in the world and create more people wanting to attack the west. They made a deal that had other US allies at the table and agreed it was the best option. I think the carrot is much better then the stick to get to where we want and help Iran become a future ally instead of making enemies. I have noticed that the US media has not really covered well the recent elections in Iran in which the moderates had huge success.
EAllusion wrote:Very few politicians read the legislation and its associated documents they are voting on before they are voting on it. This is routine because the material is usually too complex for their schedule (and abilities in plenty of cases) to allow. What you typically hope for is they hired qualified staffers to read the material for them and explain it to them in such a way that they understand it and any debateable nuances inside. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes it does not.
In the case of the Iraq War, I think many Democrats went along with it because they expected it to be popular, quick, and politically damaging if they opposed it. None of those things turned out to be the case. Clinton is a hawkish Dem. Sanders is a dovish one. That explains their votes. It's not necessarily the case that either better understood the situation on the ground. Both articulated the talking points of their respective sides at the time. it's hard to tease out depth of understanding from that.
Some senators did read it! No excuse not the read such an important document. Too complex for them? Then why the Hell are we paying them 200k a year? That is complete horse sh*t. We need change now.
If that is the case, then I am probably more qualified than them to be in the Senate.
"In the case of the Iraq War, I think many Democrats went along with it because they expected it to be popular, quick, and politically damaging if they opposed it"
So is politics more important than the lives of our American soldiers and Iraqi civilians? I honestly think Hillary needs to go to jail for not reading the DNI report.
"the American people hold the President of the United States in contempt, they hold this institution in contempt, they hold the Republican party in contempt, they hold the Democratic party in contempt" - Bernie Sanders, 1992 Please support Sanders and Donate to his campaign
ajax18 wrote:Theldsthinker can't understand why we'd want to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Understanding this view of the left helps make sense of Obama's disastrous Iran deal. Of all the things I'd ever heard a Democrat to criticize Trump, I can't believe you'd pick that he wasn't willing to condemn Palestine, your political bedfellow.
How is the Iran deal disastrous? The Intelligence agencies concluded that sanctions won't stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, if Iran has such plans. So what do you want? War?
"the American people hold the President of the United States in contempt, they hold this institution in contempt, they hold the Republican party in contempt, they hold the Democratic party in contempt" - Bernie Sanders, 1992 Please support Sanders and Donate to his campaign
Theldsthinker can't understand why we'd want to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Understanding this view of the left helps make sense of Obama's disastrous Iran deal. .
I am still waiting for a response. How is the Iran deal disastrous? Intelligence agencies agree that sanctions will do nothing to stop Iran from making a nuke, if Iran decides to make one.
So what is the answer? Another war? It is simply not worth it, a war in Iran would be 100X worst than the Iraq War.
"the American people hold the President of the United States in contempt, they hold this institution in contempt, they hold the Republican party in contempt, they hold the Democratic party in contempt" - Bernie Sanders, 1992 Please support Sanders and Donate to his campaign
theldsthinker wrote: I am still waiting for a response. How is the Iran deal disastrous? Intelligence agencies agree that sanctions will do nothing to stop Iran from making a nuke, if Iran decides to make one.
So what is the answer? Another war? It is simply not worth it, a war in Iran would be 100X worst than the Iraq War.
He has no idea. It's just what he has been told to think so he will run away as usual.
