Complete guide to fleeing President Donald Trump's America

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Complete guide to fleeing President Donald Trump's America

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For folks across the nation, the election of Donald Trump would make America grate — again.

The mere thought of President Trump taking the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2017, has already led to threats from U.S. citizens that they would leave our red, white and blue borders behind if The Donald reaches The White House.

Don't wanna live here if this spray-tanned, megalomaniacal, compulsive liar is elected to the highest office in the land? Don't worry, neither do we. Take a look at all your options if Donald Trump is (God forbid) wins the presidency.

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Don't wanna live here if this spray-tanned, megalomaniacal, compulsive liar is elected to the highest office in the land? Don't worry, neither do we. Take a look at all your options if Donald Trump is (God forbid) wins the presidency.

The tycoon-turned-politician won at least seven states on Super Tuesday, putting him one step closer to the White House, and his critics — and they’re plentiful — are one step closer to the border.

Code Orange! Mitt Romney blasts breakout Republican candidate Donald Trump as unfit to lead, and dozens of national security experts warn the volatile billionaire should not have access to nuclear codes.Remember when you said you'd leave the United States if Trump were elected? We don't blame you. And it's time to start planning.As Super Tuesday arrives, GOP canidate Donald Trump holds a commanding lead in polls.The Daily News featured Donald Trump's latest supporters on the cover: The Ku Klux Klan. David Duke, white nationalist and former Ku Klux Klan leader declared his support for Donald Trump, telling his followers that not voting for Trump would be "treason to your heritage." The headline reads "Trump for Prez" on Feb. 26, 2016.VIEW GALLERY
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New York Daily News front pages on the presidential election
Since declaring his candidacy last June, Trump has insulted everybody from John McCain to Pope Francis, from Mexicans to Muslims to Megyn Kelly.

Left-leaning Americans have been threatening to leave the country since Trump announced his candidacy last summer with a hate-filled, derogatory speech in which he called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers

The warnings of emigration have continued through his campaign — so much so that a tiny Canadian island created a website to welcome Trump haters.

Of course, such threats are nothing new. The late director Robert Altman started the trend during the 2000 election, becoming the first celebrity to say he'd leave the U.S. if George with. Bush was elected. But the threatened escape never happened: He died in Hollywood six years into Bush's presidency.

Minnesota-born "Monty Python" member Terry Gilliam renounced his American citizenship in 2006 in protest of Bush's reelection, although the actor moved to London in 1968.

So how does a Trump foe make the big move to more progressive pastures in 2016? And of all the Trump-free countries, which is best for a soon-to-be-expat?

Here’s a Daily News cheat sheet on moving your feet before First Lady Melania puts on her dancing shoes for the inaugural ball.

Enclaves for expats

The first step of any great escape plan? Picking a destination.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/complete-guide-fleeing-president-donald-trump-america-article-1.2549397

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Not that I expect mass fleeing from the US, but when a reactionary conservative regime takes hold in a nation and the liberals flee, all this does is to further concentrate the power and radicalism of those left. For example, Iran is missing a ton of educated liberals that, without question, would have had an impact on the direction of the country.
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I'm 64, in poor health, don't like cold weather. All my immediate family, and friends, live within 10 miles of me. I literally have no place else to run to.
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The CCC wrote:I'm 64, in poor health, don't like cold weather. All my immediate family, and friends, live within 10 miles of me. I literally have no place else to run to.


I hear ya. We're all doomed, in other words.

I wouldn't move away either, but I'm really afraid for the direction this country is heading. When a reality TV star gets more votes because people are sick and tired of politics the usual way. It's like voting for the fuhrer of the Third Reich in Nazi Germany, when you consider the outrageous things Trump's been espousing. He sounds like a fascist dictator at the least. Not a democratic American Republic president.

Personally I don't care for any of the candidates with exception of maybe Bernie. He still has a fighting chance to outmaneuver Hilary. Otherwise, I may just sit out this coming election - because I don't like Hilary or Trump.

What I fear for if Trump gets elected is that he is a loose cannon. It would be like putting a fox in charge of the hen house. He doesn't see himself as predatory, but he is very aggressive and bull headed to a fault.

I have no family where I live now in upstate New York. My children are expatriots already, they've moved overseas and I don't anticipate they're going to return anytime soon. My family's all in the West. When I retire I'm looking at Utah - not because of it being a Mormon capitol, but because of my family ties to the area. I have lots of extended family in that region I don't where I'm at.

Moving overseas isn't an option for me either. But moving closer to extended family is more likely what I see myself doing once I'm able to retire.
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EAllusion wrote:Not that I expect mass fleeing from the US, but when a reactionary conservative regime takes hold in a nation and the liberals flee, all this does is to further concentrate the power and radicalism of those left. For example, Iran is missing a ton of educated liberals that, without question, would have had an impact on the direction of the country.


I was surprised to learn that Iranians constitute Canada's largest influx of immigrants in recent years. It has been averaging app 72,000 immigrants a year from there, which is on par maybe a little more than Americans immigrating to Canada.

Canada welcomes them there. Many come well educated with higher education degrees, and specialty skills.

It seems easier to immigrate to Canada if you're Iranian than an American. Go figure.
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Is this a threat or a promise?

I find it ironic since Donald Trump was a past supporter of Planned Parenthood,taxes on the wealthy, and against setting up democracy and nation building. Trump hasn't exactly led a pious Christian life and would probably be fine with gay marriage. He's also been criticized on this board by liberals for not taking sides with Israel in the Palestinian conflict. His campaign manager specifically said that a Trump presidency would not mean the end of social security, which disappoints me.

Trump is going to win a lot more blue collar votes in swing states like Ohio than you guys think. The Democrats are going to have to resort to voter fraud (get rid of voter IDs), voter intimidation (i.e. black panthers), registering illegal immigrants to vote, and other slimy tactics to pull out this election against Trump.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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I'm pretty Left leaning. I'd never leave. If anyone should leave it's the Libertarian loving Conservatives. They can go to Libertarian paradises found south of here or, say, in Africa. Why not? Go make another part of the world utopia with Conservatism.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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AmyJo wrote:
The CCC wrote:I'm 64, in poor health, don't like cold weather. All my immediate family, and friends, live within 10 miles of me. I literally have no place else to run to.


I hear ya. We're all doomed, in other words.

I wouldn't move away either, but I'm really afraid for the direction this country is heading. When a reality TV star gets more votes because people are sick and tired of politics the usual way. It's like voting for the fuhrer of the Third Reich in Nazi Germany, when you consider the outrageous things Trump's been espousing. He sounds like a fascist dictator at the least. Not a democratic American Republic president.

Personally I don't care for any of the candidates with exception of maybe Bernie. He still has a fighting chance to outmaneuver Hilary. Otherwise, I may just sit out this coming election - because I don't like Hilary or Trump.

What I fear for if Trump gets elected is that he is a loose cannon. It would be like putting a fox in charge of the hen house. He doesn't see himself as predatory, but he is very aggressive and bull headed to a fault.

I have no family where I live now in upstate New York. My children are expatriots already, they've moved overseas and I don't anticipate they're going to return anytime soon. My family's all in the West. When I retire I'm looking at Utah - not because of it being a Mormon capitol, but because of my family ties to the area. I have lots of extended family in that region I don't where I'm at.

Moving overseas isn't an option for me either. But moving closer to extended family is more likely what I see myself doing once I'm able to retire.


Many moons ago my wife and I almost moved to New Zealand. Now it is out of the question.
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The CCC wrote:
AmyJo wrote:I hear ya. We're all doomed, in other words.

I wouldn't move away either, but I'm really afraid for the direction this country is heading. When a reality TV star gets more votes because people are sick and tired of politics the usual way. It's like voting for the fuhrer of the Third Reich in Nazi Germany, when you consider the outrageous things Trump's been espousing. He sounds like a fascist dictator at the least. Not a democratic American Republic president.

Personally I don't care for any of the candidates with exception of maybe Bernie. He still has a fighting chance to outmaneuver Hilary. Otherwise, I may just sit out this coming election - because I don't like Hilary or Trump.

What I fear for if Trump gets elected is that he is a loose cannon. It would be like putting a fox in charge of the hen house. He doesn't see himself as predatory, but he is very aggressive and bull headed to a fault.

I have no family where I live now in upstate New York. My children are expatriots already, they've moved overseas and I don't anticipate they're going to return anytime soon. My family's all in the West. When I retire I'm looking at Utah - not because of it being a Mormon capitol, but because of my family ties to the area. I have lots of extended family in that region I don't where I'm at.

Moving overseas isn't an option for me either. But moving closer to extended family is more likely what I see myself doing once I'm able to retire.


Many moons ago my wife and I almost moved to New Zealand. Now it is out of the question.


There was a time I used to strategize of living in Austria, then Belgium, and later Switzerland. So far I haven't even got to visit there yet.

At my age I don't believe I'd adapt to another country's customs and culture let alone learn a new language. Had a tough time with German as an undergrad years ago. My children are multi-lingual. I doubt they inherited their linguistic ability from me.
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Culturally and linguistically New Zealand and America are very similar. There are historical differences of course. But if you are reasonably adaptable it shouldn't be a problem.
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