Societal lack of Empathy

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_The CCC
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Jersey Girl wrote:The CCC,

I'm not going to beat around the bush. Empathy has not a thing to do with how others see is. Empathy is the ability to understand the feelings of others, to take on their perspective.

I can't think of one developmental theorist who would describe it as you have done in your above. If you can, I should like you to provide a link to their theoretical commentary.


Mine is a distillation of this.
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ajax18 wrote:My financial situation wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for being overtaxed. I have enough, but not even close to what I should be getting when you consider the number and inconvenience of the hours I have to work, and of course the time and financial investment it took to become an optometrist in the first place.

Can you give an approximate dollar amount of how much more you figure you'd have at your disposal per year if all of the deductions from your pay that presently go towards welfare programs were never deducted?

This dollar figure would not include Social Security, since you'll be using that later - I'm referring to other programs like AFDC, etc.

What is your estimate?
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This dollar figure would not include Social Security, since you'll be using that later


You don't know that. I'd have to live and work until I'm 70 to get social security unless I want to join the other fraudsters and get disability. I'll likely draw much less social security that I ever get back, if it even exists the way we know it in 30 years. The dollar figure should include medicare as well since I'll never collect on that. Several men in my family have already passed on without ever collecting a dime of what they paid in social security and medicare taxes. Don't tell me I'll be collecting it later. Social security is the biggest PONZI scheme cheat of the legal American worker ever passed into government legislation.

It's the same with property tax. If I were just paying for my own daughter to attend public school than fine. But I'm not. I'm probably paying for kids whose parents pay nothing, many of whom shouldn't even be in this country in the first place.
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I do think there's a huge amount of fraud that goes on vis a vis welfare. For example, I was watching My 600 lbs Life with my spouse this morning. She works in the medical field, and when I exclaimed in disbelief how this 800 lbs woman and her unemployed husband could afford the decent house they live in along with supporting a family she let me know they're both probably on disability and her adult children are probably paid by the state to care for them. Once you kick in food stamps and medicaid these fat “F” waste of spaces are costing the State thousands a month. Multiply that by millions of welfare queens and other forms of leeches you're getting into billions of dollars for people who are just slothful, gluttonous, selfish assholes.

Then you start kicking in corporate welfare and other entitlement programs and you're looking at an order of magnitude of fraud and waste that becomes incomprehensible. We need to stop it. Our country has turned into a debt-ridden hotbed of deadly sins.

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Ajax - if you were to die before 70, then you wouldn't be using much or all of your self-saved retirement, either. That's why I'm asking you to address dollars other than Social Security. I want to discuss the component that goes elsewhere other than being available for your own use at a later date.

Can you give an estimate of that? It seems like you are looking only for a reason to dodge the question at this point.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I do think there's a huge amount of fraud that goes on vis a vis welfare. For example, I was watching My 600 lbs Life with my spouse this morning. She works in the medical field, and when I exclaimed in disbelief how this 800 lbs woman and her unemployed husband could afford the decent house they live in along with supporting a family she let me know they're both probably on disability and her adult children are probably paid by the state to care for them. Once you kick in food stamps and medicaid these fat f*** waste of spaces are costing the State thousands a month. Multiply that by millions of welfare queens and other forms of leeches you're getting into billions of dollars for people who are just slothful, gluttonous, selfish assholes.

Then you start kicking in corporate welfare and other entitlement programs and you're looking at an order of magnitude of fraud and waste that becomes incomprehensible. We need to stop it. Our country has turned into a debt-ridden hotbed of deadly sins.

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I should clarify. When I talk about fraud I talk about people using it in the first place. The system is set up so people opt in rather than opting out. Welfare recipient percentages have increased, and while I think welfare is a good thing in many cases, there are too many people who take advantage of the system who could work.

Let me be clear, my position isn't that 100% of people on some form of assistance are fraudsters and don't deserve to be there, but we do need to look at limiting the time and amount someone can be receiving assistance unless they're literally disabled from either a birth defect or accident (I don't think obese people should be receiving assistance).

Just watch the whole thing and you'll see who I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5MhgRpda0

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Once you kick in food stamps and medicaid these fat f*** waste of spaces are costing the State thousands a month. Multiply that by millions of welfare queens and other forms of leeches you're getting into billions of dollars for people who are just slothful, gluttonous, selfish assholes.
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by the way, has there ever been a thread here asking participants the extent of their conservativeness?
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I should clarify. When I talk about fraud I talk about people using it in the first place. The system is set up so people opt in rather than opting out. Welfare recipient percentages have increased, and while I think welfare is a good thing in many cases, there are too many people who take advantage of the system who could work.

Let me be clear, my position isn't that 100% of people on some form of assistance are fraudsters and don't deserve to be there, but we do need to look at limiting the time and amount someone can be receiving assistance unless they're literally disabled from either a birth defect or accident (I don't think obese people should be receiving assistance).

Just watch the whole thing and you'll see who I'm talking about:


You stated this far better than I ever could have. I like how they explained that as a healthy lifestyle assisted living facility, they could only encourage healthy eating habits. Ultimately, if the patient did not want to diet, they had to provide him what he wanted. The 23 year old 600lb girl gained 30 lbs after a month in the hospital on a supposedly restricted low carbohydrate diet. Then it came out that her mother and husband were bringing her KFC every day because she couldn't let her baby be hungry. How do you afford fast food three meals a day when you don't work?

Another thing that appalls me when watching, "My 600lb life," is seeing them in a new car every couple months. Then watching that woman call the ambulance to pick her up in the hospital because she didn't want to diet was disturbing. But what was worse was that the ambulance came and got her. If you or I had ridden in an ambulance, we'd be on a 30 year payment plan, but when it's free you can call 911 as much as you want, even if it's just because McDonald's didn't keep your favorite chicken McNuggets stocked.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:


I should clarify. When I talk about fraud I talk about people using it in the first place. The system is set up so people opt in rather than opting out. Welfare recipient percentages have increased, and while I think welfare is a good thing in many cases, there are too many people who take advantage of the system who could work.

Let me be clear, my position isn't that 100% of people on some form of assistance are fraudsters and don't deserve to be there, but we do need to look at limiting the time and amount someone can be receiving assistance unless they're literally disabled from either a birth defect or accident (I don't think obese people should be receiving assistance).

Just watch the whole thing and you'll see who I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5MhgRpda0

- Doc


Bill Clinton did that back in the 1990's. 5 years total with no more than 2 consecutive years in a life time.

If you watch "My 600 LBS Life" carefully you'll see that all have serious mental health issues. Just cutting the food won't solve the problem, and in fact is deadly.

We can all think of some group that we personally don't want to receive help. Maybe those that are morbidly thin don't deserve our help.
SEE https://frugalistablogdotcom.files.word ... t-thin.jpg
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