Bach wrote:[OK - So you're an angry socialist, get it! But WTF IS YOUR PLAN other than complaining about what YOU don't HAVE! This is the very problem of those seeking entitlement - they want to have their life's needs fulfilled by the effort of others! The very effort they believe Is not their responsibility.
They'd rather complain than engage.
I am NOT complaining about what I don't have! I am retired, and my annual income is actually less than average, but my needs are being fulfilled. It helps, of course, that I am living in a fairly low cost of living, rural area, which enables me to not only keep food on the table, but pay all my utilities, afford the small amount of gasoline I need to use for the little driving I do, and pay more than the minimum payments on my mortgage every month. I am speaking and complaining, not for myself, but on the behalf of the millions who are far worse off than I am.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Kevin Graham wrote:The fact that Bach cannot concede the fact that Walmart was at fault, and instead continues on with his usual red herrings attacking Socialism, kinda proves the point that there are greedy idiots in this country who have no business running a business. Except Bach is just an idiot. I doubt he has ever run a business in his life.
Like I've always said - go with KG for the in depth insight on most any issue. He's brilliant.
Far more brilliant than you, for sure! But that's not saying much!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Wouldn't it be better to pay their employees enough to live on in the first place so they wouldn't have to apply for Government assistance and entitlements to adequately supply their needs?
The very same Democrats claim that this would mean that goods would cost too much.
I wish Cinepro would chime in. I don't want to misrepresent his position but he believes that it would be better to help the underemployed through social welfare and EICs than by raising the minimum wage.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
So Gunnar - when the city council of Washington DC told Walmart that they could only build three new stores subject to wage rate that was not sustainable, and Walmart pulled out of their openings, was it a good thing for all those looking for jobs? Did the govt provide or replace those jobs? Did they give those seeking work the opportunity to make their own decision? Why not let big bad Walmart fail with no one wanting to sign up for those horrible jobs. After all, those seeking that skill level of employment had SO MANY OPTIONS, right?
You really have no clue about providing people a path to dignity do you?
Stealing wages from workers is a contract violation. There should be penalties for this and opposing it reveals a person not to be in favor of free markets, but instead in favor of whatever promotes the interest of a large business. Stupid people on both sides of the political spectrum confuse the two.
Bach wrote:So Gunnar - when the city council of Washington DC told Walmart that they could only build three new stores subject to wage rate that was not sustainable, and Walmart pulled out of their openings, was it a good thing for all those looking for jobs? Did the govt provide or replace those jobs? Did they give those seeking work the opportunity to make their own decision? Why not let big bad Walmart fail with no one wanting to sign up for those horrible jobs. After all, those seeking that skill level of employment had SO MANY OPTIONS, right?
You really have no clue about providing people a path to dignity do you?
I question whether those wage rates were really unsustainable, when other local, successful businesses are apparently complying with those same wage rates. I think it more likely that Walmart simply did not want to pay those rates. Walmart is one of the most profitable companies in history. I don't think there is any reasonable doubt that they can afford to pay their employees more than what they are now paying them. Reducing their profit margin somewhat would not kill them, and would surely be a lesser evil than continuing to abuse their workers like they apparently are currently doing.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
EAllusion wrote:Stealing wages from workers is a contract violation. There should be penalties for this and opposing it reveals a person not to be in favor of free markets, but instead in favor of whatever promotes the interest of a large business. Stupid people on both sides of the political spectrum confuse the two.
So greatful for another entrepreneur to weigh in. Does anyone here know what his experienced point was?
Bach wrote:So Gunnar - when the city council of Washington DC told Walmart that they could only build three new stores subject to wage rate that was not sustainable, and Walmart pulled out of their openings, was it a good thing for all those looking for jobs? Did the govt provide or replace those jobs? Did they give those seeking work the opportunity to make their own decision? Why not let big bad Walmart fail with no one wanting to sign up for those horrible jobs. After all, those seeking that skill level of employment had SO MANY OPTIONS, right?
You really have no clue about providing people a path to dignity do you?
I question whether those wage rates were really unsustainable, when other local, successful businesses are apparently complying with those same wage rates. I think it more likely that Walmart simply did not want to pay those rates. Walmart is one of the most profitable companies in history. I don't think there is any reasonable doubt that they can afford to pay their employees more than what they are now paying them. Reducing their profit margin somewhat would not kill them, and would surely be a lesser evil than continuing to abuse their workers like they apparently are currently doing.
Gunnar, ever try to attract capital/investors? Have any clue how this stuff works in the real world? Obama thought he did and we more than doubled our national debt. It's so amazing how ignorance is so bliss on this board!
Best leave it to the brilliance of EA AND KG - they are brilliant!
And for the record here, I don't have any skilled employee making less than $22/hr (plus benefits) in any of my businesses. They work hard and deserve it. 48% of my workforce is Latino. 18% are African Americans 21% are women. And my turnover is less than 4% annually.
Bacn wrote:Best leave it to the brilliance of EA AND KG - they are brilliant]
I do indeed appreciate and respect much of what those two have to say! They are both great assets to the discussions on this forum, and I feel I have learned much from them and the back and forth interaction between them.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison