Why the Wall Will Work

The Off-Topic forum for anything non-LDS related, such as sports or politics. Rated PG through PG-13.
_ajax18
_Emeritus
Posts: 6914
Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:56 am

Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _ajax18 »

Why the Wall Will Work

While European media feature several major stories a day on the immigration crisis there, America’s corporate media elites seem desperate to avoid the chaos caused by the breakdown of the rule of law on our own southern border.

Whatever the motivation of our elites, their purpose is clear: bury the issue.

After all, confronting the immigration crisis is Trump’s first priority, while the bipartisan Establishment’s first priority is to defeat him. To put it another way, his unprecedented popularity flows directly from his unflinching demand that U.S. immigration law be not only enforced, but strengthened, and that a wall protecting the southern border of the United States is indispensable to that goal.

For the Establishment, the logic is simple: to oppose Trump, oppose the wall.

While elites on both sides of the border have resorted to feigned mockery regarding Trump’s proposal, the Mexican people would hardly find it unusual. After all, virtually every family in Mexico builds a wall around their home as soon as they can afford one. Those walls, often topped with glass, barbed wire, or both, are as necessary to their daily lives, health, and safety as indoor plumbing.

Even liberals understand the necessity of walls. Five years ago, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, a Democrat and second-generation Mexican-American, demanded an exception to zoning laws so he could build a six-foot high wall around his official residence. And Hillary Clinton’s family home in Chappaqua, New York, is surrounded by a high security fence complete with a guardhouse.

When it comes to walls, American liberals are not alone. Even European socialists have come to their senses. The European Union has now reversed its open-borders policy and has agreed to spend billions bribing Turkey to take back some of the thousands of “refugees” that it has poured into Europe over the past two years. Meanwhile, member countries build fences and walls with layers of razor-wire protected by armed guards to prevent another illegal inundation.

Like its counterpart in the U.S., Mexico’s powerful ruling establishment has condemned Mr. Trump’s proposal. But Mexico’s ruling party, the “Institutional Revolutionary Party” (PRI) has routinely condemned the United States for decades, in season and out of season. The reason is simple: the PRI and Mexico’s lavish insider network of politicians, businessmen, and financiers are one and the same, and their unique partnership has made many Mexican politicians and their favored allies some of the richest men in the world. Meanwhile, the Mexican people have remained impoverished, surrounded daily by a culture of violence, gangs, and bribes.

Long ago Lord Peter Bauer, one of the most noted economists of the twentieth century, explained how “democratic” tyrants stay in power. “Our poverty is your fault,” they tell the United States – pounding the table as they continue to oppress and to impoverish their people. This fomenting of hatred of America is a core plank in the propaganda platform of Mexico’s elites, and it saturates their government’s policy of encouraging migration, legal and illegal, into the United States. Poor Mexicans are told that America has exploited them for years, so, when they arrive in the United States, they should exploit every possible opportunity to benefit from the broad and generous welfare programs which the U.S. offers for the asking.

Here is where the wall comes in: those welfare benefits are also promised to their people by the government of Mexico. However, the corruptos (as Mexicans call their rulers) guarantee that they are never delivered. Instead, Mexicans working in the U.S. send back to their extended families tens of billions of dollars a year, resulting in an extensive Mexican welfare system, a courtesy extended to the Mexican elite establishment by its enthusiastic elitist counterparts in the United States.

These financial remittances are called remesas, and Donald Trump proposes that the U.S. impose a surcharge on each of them, since they constitute an indirect but de facto Mexican government welfare program designed to prevent unrest or even broader domestic violence at home – after all, we must recall, Mexico’s official “Institutional Revolutionary Party” is well-entrenched, and with rare exceptions has controlled the country for almost a century. The remesas provide a safety valve that reduces the threat of serious unrest, allowing the corruptos to keep the party going unperturbed.

Of course, the wall is only one ingredient in the restoration of the rule of law on both sides of the border. On the American side, legal immigrants and their employers will once more have an above-board, mutually rewarding relationship. But those on the Mexican side will prosper as well: while some enterprising Mexicans will continue to apply for legal entrance into the United States, millions more will stay at home and demand that their own government reform the current system that perpetuates poverty, violence, and crime.

Christopher Manion, Ph.D., served as staff firector of the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere Affairs during the Reagan Administration.


http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/20 ... will-work/
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
_The CCC
_Emeritus
Posts: 6746
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:51 am

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _The CCC »

How high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?
_Maksutov
_Emeritus
Posts: 12480
Joined: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:19 pm

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _Maksutov »

The CCC wrote:How high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?


Not to mention that the last time a huge national wall was built it was by a totalitarian state that was supposedly the opposite of everything American...and the world has not forgotten. And if you think we can just flip off the world, think again. We've had enough of that ridiculous hubris.

I believe a sovereign nation has to control its borders but this is not the way, in my opinion.
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
_EAllusion
_Emeritus
Posts: 18519
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:39 pm

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _EAllusion »

My favorite part was the ironic scare-quotes around refugees.
_Dr. Shades
_Emeritus
Posts: 14117
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:07 pm

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _Dr. Shades »

Maksutov wrote:Not to mention that the last time a huge national wall was built it was by a totalitarian state that was supposedly the opposite of everything American...and the world has not forgotten.

Do you think there's a moral difference between a wall to keep people in vs. a wall to keep people out?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

--Louis Midgley
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _moksha »

It might be wise for President Trump to do a trial run for this wall. Walling off BYU could provide a microcosm demonstration of its worth. If BYU students are able to dig their way out or the Honor Code Office is able to ooze through the cracks, then it can be scrapped before the inevitable cost overruns.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_Always Changing
_Emeritus
Posts: 940
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:17 am

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _Always Changing »

Maksutov wrote:Not to mention that the last time a huge national wall was built it was by a totalitarian state that was supposedly the opposite of everything American...and the world has not forgotten. And if you think we can just flip off the world, think again. We've had enough of that ridiculous hubris.

I believe a sovereign nation has to control its borders but this is not the way, in my opinion.
Send the brightest young Mexican police officers to the US for apprenticeships. :surprised: No, maybe not such a good idea. Most will want to stay; those who don't will learn to judge the criminality of a person by hair and eye-color.
Problems with auto-correct:
In Helaman 6:39, we see the Badmintons, so similar to Skousenite Mormons, taking over the government and abusing the rights of many.
_ajax18
_Emeritus
Posts: 6914
Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:56 am

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _ajax18 »

I believe a sovereign nation has to control its borders but this is not the way, in my opinion.


How would you control the border?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
_Maksutov
_Emeritus
Posts: 12480
Joined: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:19 pm

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _Maksutov »

ajax18 wrote:
I believe a sovereign nation has to control its borders but this is not the way, in my opinion.


How would you control the border?


I honestly don't know, Ajax. But things have gotten so polarized that it's impossible to have a discussion. During the VietNam War there was extensive aerial monitoring of the Ho Chi Minh trail with much cruder technology. I would see it as a high tech problem and would explore satellites and drones. But there are still cultural and political problems to solve. I reject the demonization of those concerned about illegal immigration as racists and vigilantes. While that sort of element exists in most groups, it's used to muddy the waters and make a calm discussion and consensus impossible.
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
_Doctor CamNC4Me
_Emeritus
Posts: 21663
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:02 am

Re: Why the Wall Will Work

Post by _Doctor CamNC4Me »

Well, it would be helpful if we actually let ICE do its purported job.

I think having a work visa program where we tax and document Mexican workers/migrants and allow them to go back and forth would probably be the best way ahead. After, say, 5 years of good contributions to our society let them apply for citizenship.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Post Reply