ajax18 wrote:I had never seen bars on windows or broken glass placed on top of cinder block walls to cut potential thieves until I went Latin America. I'm sure there are places in the US that look very similar now but the practice was foreign to me at the time.
Ajax, we've got to get you out of the house and traveling around the US a bit more, too. : )
I'll again remind that Ajax's refrain is that he only just opposes illegal immigration is disingenuous in contexts like this because he also thinks virtually all immigration should be illegal. It's like wanting to make homosexuality illegal and then simply focusing on the fact that you think the government should stop crimes. After all, what's wrong with that?
Regarding the thread topic, the article didn't do anything to actually answer the thread title. One of the major criticisms of a border wall is that it will be ineffective at stopping the flow of illegal immigration while being obscenely expensive. Ajax's reply to that problem, when it has been detailed out, is to simply shrug his shoulders and say, "Hey. At least it's something." He's not even subtle about wanting to force the American taxpayer to pay through the nose to build a symbol to his xenophobia. So, along comes this thread title and we are promised some arguments about why the wall will serve its stated function. Then the article doesn't deliver on that promise.
So, instead we get a tortured argument about how building a wall around a house for privacy and crime prevention is exactly like building a wall around a country. This is peppered with unnecessary side comments that are unsupported, false, and insulting. Some examples are that people fleeing war-torn Syria aren't really refugees, that whenever a Mexican gets enough money they put barbed wire around their house, and that Mexican immigrants are conditioned to take advantage of Americans at every opportunity.
This is what passes for intellectual discourse in someone whose brain is a hamster wheel.
Regarding the thread topic, the article didn't do anything to actually answer the thread title.
The Breitbart Article also did not make any mention of the Rio Grande River. Not only does that article not make any mention of the Rio Grande, but Trump's 'Immigration reform' article also does not make any mention of that river. Link The Rio Grande River border between Mexico and Texas is about 900 miles long, which is about 150 miles Longer than the distance traveling on I-15 from San Diego CA to Salt Lake City, Utah. Link And we would likely need to build the border wall about a half mile away from that river in order to be able to really do it.
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
I don't know why you think you should hate Doctor CamNC4Me (or anyone else on this board, for that matter.
This is what passes for intellectual discourse in someone whose brain is a hamster wheel.
Maybe not Dr. Cam, but does this help you see how things have become much more personal than an honest disagreement?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
The Great Wall of China took quite a while to build. The Great Wall did not keep the Manchurian invaders (sort of like Canada) away forever, but perhaps the Ming Emperors lacked the awesomeness of the Trump Dynasty.
The CCC wrote:How high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?
Relevant how?
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moksha wrote:The Great Wall of China took quite a while to build. The Great Wall did not keep the Manchurian invaders (sort of like Canada) away forever, but perhaps the Ming Emperors lacked the awesomeness of the Trump Dynasty.
The OP talks apples and you pour a glass of orange juice
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
MeDotOrg wrote: Two liberals have fences around their house, therefore all liberals are hypocrites for opposing a wall on the Mexican border... got it.
You've heard of New York values? Breitbart logic.
And the exception is founded on what? How is using a wall to prevent illegal or unwanted entry different from using a wall to prevent illegal or unwanted entry?
Maybe I am just unaware of how you are defining "hypocrisy"?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
moksha wrote:The Great Wall of China took quite a while to build. The Great Wall did not keep the Manchurian invaders (sort of like Canada) away forever, but perhaps the Ming Emperors lacked the awesomeness of the Trump Dynasty.
The OP talks apples and you pour a glass of orange juice
So if we're keeping score at home:
1) A wall designed to prevent military invasion = totally inappropriate comparison to a wall meant to deter illegal immigration.
2) A wall built around a single house for the purposes of privacy, aesthetics, or to stop crime = highly similar to a 2000 mile, patrolled, 30-50 foot wall made of concrete and steel designed to prevent illegal immigration. In fact, it is so similar, that to favor the former, but not the latter is obvious hypocrisy.