Why the Wall Will Work

[_Maksutov]

Well, it would be helpful if we actually let ICE do its purported job.

I think having a work visa program where we tax and document Mexican workers/migrants and allow them to go back and forth would probably be the best way ahead. After, say, 5 years of good contributions to our society let them apply for citizenship.

- Doc

Best post in the thread.

[_The CCC]

How high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?

Relevant how?

1. Most "illegals" come by airplane and simply overstay their visa.
2. Terrorists recruit by the internet.

So how high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?

[_subgenius]

1. Most "illegals" come by airplane and simply overstay their visa.
2. Terrorists recruit by the internet.

So how high does that wall have to be to keep airplanes and the internet out?

1. I recommend reading "mending wall" by Robert Frost

2. The high occurrence of illegal immigrants within border states seems to merit the request "CFR" on your assertions.
For example "most" is not a term I would use to describe a +/- 40% occurrence of overstaying visas.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sources ... stay+visas

3. The concentration of "terrorists" with little or no Internet access also merits the request "CFR" on your assertion.

4. And I would be interested in what you consider is the meaning, application, or usefulness of a "border" to any Nation, state, city, or property owner.

[_canpakes]

Subs -

I live in a border state where walls and tough fencing already exist, yet they are commonly breached, with a large amount of drug movement taking place via tunnels.

You seem to be a practical fellow; can you give us some insight on the kind of return on this wall investment that we can expect? And how much will this wall stem the arguably more problematic drug trade that makes significant use of tunnels?

[_EAllusion]

1. I recommend reading "mending wall" by Robert Frost

The poem about someone so wedded to to the tradition of maintaining a border wall that he fails to see that it is pointless? So we look upon him with benign pity? That poem? This is meant to be instructive?

[_subgenius]

Subs -

I live in a border state where walls and tough fencing already exist, yet they are commonly breached, with a large amount of drug movement taking place via tunnels.

Just because people still commit murder does not mean that we should suddenly condone or let it go unpunished...so, i am not sure what your anecdotal point is here

You seem to be a practical fellow; can you give us some insight on the kind of return on this wall investment that we can expect? And how much will this wall stem the arguably more problematic drug trade that makes significant use of tunnels?

I am sure that both of us are ill-equipped to provide convincing "investment" data for the presence or absence of a wall....but I believe that it is incorrect to consider a wall in the same paradigm as a 401(k).

But, considering the data noted above, it would seem that a decrease in the "60%" (those without ever having visas) would encourage money, time, and efforts to be applied elsewhere.

The physical wall may seem rather primitive to you, but it seems that the "wall" is manifest in many forms - yet you do not seem to protest them as you do a "traditional" wall....perhaps it is your penchant for all things shiny and new, but sometimes it is practical to not re-invent the wheel.

[_subgenius]

1. I recommend reading "mending wall" by Robert Frost

The poem about someone so wedded to to the tradition of maintaining a border wall that he fails to see that it is pointless? So we look upon him with benign pity? That poem? This is meant to be instructive?

So, you say.
You fail to note that he is there every spring, mending the wall as well (even after hunters)...it is rather obvious that "the wall" is tantamount to a campfire, or a cell phone....the wall is not "disliked" by man...but rather by the frozen ground....it is our "out of eden" that builds the wall.
Pointless? hardly...it is only pointless to the apple trees and pine trees, and man is neither of those.

I would recommend you read the poem again...and, ironically, remove the wall that you have placed between the two men walking together in the Spring. You seem to have "sided" with one without realizing the other.

[_canpakes]

I am sure that both of us are ill-equipped to provide convincing "investment" data for the presence or absence of a wall....but I believe that it is incorrect to consider a wall in the same paradigm as a 401(k).

But, considering the data noted above, it would seem that a decrease in the "60%" (those without ever having visas) would encourage money, time, and efforts to be applied elsewhere.

Can we consider proposed cost versus the possible return, then? I'm looking for some numbers here by proponents of the idea. I'd guess that the wall isn't going to magically appear in place and will require some amount of money to bring it into existence, and that there's a quantifiable justification for the expenditure that makes it sensible.

The physical wall may seem rather primitive to you,

'Primitive' is of no concern. A knife is a primitive tool yet still performs a useful function like no other tool.

... but it seems that the "wall" is manifest in many forms - yet you do not seem to protest them as you do a "traditional" wall....perhaps it is your penchant for all things shiny and new, but sometimes it is practical to not re-invent the wheel.

I suspect that you may have formed some bad assumptions behind this non-statement; can you give more details so that we can examine them?

[_The CCC]

subs:

SEE http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

Both ISIS And Al Qaeda have internet propaganda as a recruiting tool.
SEE http://www.businessinsider.com/the-manu ... ine-2015-7

[_subgenius]

subs:

SEE http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

There is no actual justification for your claim and it only deals with recent trends...the author states "Mr. Camarota said it’s likely" caused by overstaying visas (likely) - not that "most are". So, i dismiss your claim as unfounded. My link actually had data in support.
The article goes on to mention that "border security" is an effective tool
“The border has never been more secure than it is now,” Rep. Joaquin Castro, Texas Democrat
concluding that the more difficult that the border is to actual physical crossing, the more effective it is in stopping illegal immigration.

Both ISIS And Al Qaeda have internet propaganda as a recruiting tool.
SEE http://www.businessinsider.com/the-manu ... ine-2015-7

my dispute is with your implication that it was a significant tool for recruitment.